The Short Box: A Comic Book Talk Show Podcast: Across the Spider-Verse Movie Review

[00:00:00] Walt: Sorry. Oh, this is a, this is a nice little setup in here, man. Wow. This is my first time being in, in this office. Dang.

[00:00:08] Drew: You sure? See if you can spot everything that, uh, represents Badr Everything in here represents Badr. Yeah, very true.

[00:00:16] Blythe: There is no discussion thread on Reddit right now.

[00:00:20] Badr: I'm telling you.

[00:00:20] Badr: It's on, it's on our comics. I For what? She's um, I looked at comic books. She's looking for, um, like a discussion thread on, on, oh, here's the, you won't

[00:00:29] Drew: find it cuz everybody's talking about amazing Spider-Man. 26.

[00:00:31] Walt: Just go to regular Spider. Just go to Spider-Man. Ready?

[00:00:34] Blythe: I didn't, I didn't have it. Marvel didn't

[00:00:35] Badr: have it.

[00:00:36] Badr: She said, she said she found a bunch of r-rated Spider-Man. A lot a,

[00:00:40] Walt: a lot of R-rated not suitable for work. Oh, oh yeah. A lot. Spider-Man back here. He either getting bent over, bending something over.

[00:00:48] Badr: Yeah. Oh my God.

[00:00:54] Badr: Spider verse for real. Rack it style.

[00:00:58] Walt: Yeah. Show you my spider

[00:01:00] Badr: style. All right. I guess first and foremost, a cheers to Walt being in town cheer. Cheers. Cheers to Walt. To Walt being in town First Walt. First time Walt is in the short new short bike studio and first time Walt is recording with Blythe. And I guess the first time we're all recording together.

[00:01:16] Badr: There we go.

[00:01:17] Drew: First time, I'm mean in

[00:01:18] Badr: this room. We just seen this movie, right? What the f what what, what? I just went

[00:01:25] Walt: to, I just went to the Spiderman. I looked at it. Just go to Spider-Man, celebr.

[00:01:30] Badr: Is that a dirty sub you sent into two? No, I just looked to the regular

[00:01:32] Walt: Spiderman. I just typed in Spider-Man and then I went to the one that had, um, a hundred or thousands of hundreds of thousands of people in it.

[00:01:41] Walt: And there we go.

[00:01:42] Badr: Let's do a little, uh, let's do our, our routine warmup. So hyper fast, right? The trailers that we got, we got 1, 2, 3, 6 trailers, right? We got the trailer for Elemental, we got a trailer for Blue Beetle. We got a trailer for the Flash movie. We got a trailer for Teenage Kraken, TM and T. And then Grand Teresa, I believe was the last one.

[00:02:03] Badr: What was the best trailer you saw tonight? Well,

[00:02:07] Walt: um, I will give it a tie for elementals in a teenage Kraken. Okay. Because the teenage cracker was the only one I had

[00:02:14] Badr: not seen. Yeah, that was a new one for us. Uh, drew, what was your favorite trailer? Honestly, teenage Kraken. That's two votes for teenage. What was it about teenage Kraken that got your attention?

[00:02:23] Badr: Just looking interesting.

[00:02:24] Drew: It looked really fun. And then, um, so the design looks cool.

[00:02:28] Badr: Okay. All right. I like that life. There was no, um, this was probably the only movie where they didn't have an Indiana Jones trailer. Mm-hmm. So now you definitely gotta pick a different one. What was your favorite trailer out of the, uh, six we saw, uh, I mean

[00:02:40] Blythe: the Ninja Turtles one.

[00:02:41] Blythe: Easy.

[00:02:41] Badr: Yeah. I think I'm gonna back you up on that cuz this, I think this was the trailer that made me, I was like, okay. Yeah, we're definitely gonna see this opening night in theaters. I, I think I was a little iffy when I seen the first trailer. I was like, are they trying to do a. Into the spider verse, like, rip off, like, is everyone gonna be doing this?

[00:02:58] Badr: But now I, I know I'm here for it. I'm, what was that joke

[00:03:01] Blythe: that Splinter said?

[00:03:03] Badr: He was like, you ratted me out. And he like, whoa, whoa, whoa, careful with that word.

[00:03:09] Badr: That was pretty good. That was solid. Um, and then I think close Second Elemental looks fucking fun. I, that looks so

[00:03:16] Walt: fun. I'm behind on them. Pixar Movies after Soul, so I need to kind of sit down and go through all the other ones that kind of came out. What, what

[00:03:25] Badr: other ones have come out since Soul?

[00:03:26] Walt: There were, there's been three of them that they released on Disney plus exclusively.

[00:03:32] Walt: There

[00:03:32] Blythe: was one that kind of looks like the elementals. But I think it's the emotions.

[00:03:36] Walt: Yes. Well, that one went to, that one was in the theater, so I've seen that one. Mm-hmm. The gist of that film was that, that, um, the girl moved and the four different emotions that she explored the most were in her brain, and she was kind of dealing with all that.

[00:03:51] Walt: And she was like a inside out for the record. Inside

[00:03:53] Badr: out. Inside out that movie. Yes. All right. And that one came out 2015. It feels like that was not that long ago. Okay. Uh, normally we'd spend a little more time on the, uh, warmup in the trailers, but I think we have so much to talk about in regards to this, uh, spider-Man movie.

[00:04:07] Badr: So let's just go ahead and get things started. Um, and lemme kick it off like I normally do. Yoo, Short Box Nation. Thank you guys so much for joining the show. Welcome back to the podcast. If you're new to the podcast. You know what I'm, I'm, I'm not even asked what took you so long. I'm just gonna say welcome to the party.

[00:04:25] Badr: This is a Short Box podcast, the comic book talk show that brings you the best conversations about comic books and the pop culture inspired by them. Just like this amazing movie. My name is Badr, I got the short box. Movie crew assembled once again, so you know I got Blythe Brumleve. Leave on mic number two.

[00:04:41] Badr: Hello. Hello. I got Mr. Andrew Torres here with me. Hello. And making Mary Poppins over here. Yeah, there you go, Mrs. Doubtfire. Actually, it was even better. Sorry about that. You know, I'm just so hype. I'm so Spiderman focused. I don't see no other movie references, but making his short box studio. Debut here in Jax.

[00:05:00] Badr: Uh, normally me and Drew are the ones driving down to Orlando to visit him and giving you guys, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're driving down.

[00:05:08] Drew: I'm asleep in the car. Don't give credit.

[00:05:13] Badr: Same. That's right. Don't gimme, I go for my boy. True. All right, lemme try that again. You longtime listeners. We'll recognize, probably have already recognized the voice.

[00:05:21] Badr: You guys know that we make a big deal anytime we have one of the original founders on the show. Ladies and gents, joining the Short Box Movie Club today is none other than Walter Gant here in Jacksonville, Florida.

[00:05:36] Badr: You just gonna bask in it. You're not gonna say anything. It's about the end. Thank you for having me, Bob.

[00:05:47] Badr: Pleasure to be here. I don't think no one has ever let the crowd, the applause ride out that long. Normally I just cut it halfway through, but Well, you deserve it. We're so happy to have you with us and it's been a minute since we all caught a mo. I think the last movie we all caught together was that epic moment in history called Endgame Opening Night.

[00:06:04] Badr: We did go see Endgame. That was the last one. That was the last

[00:06:07] Walt: time, but that was the second best movie we all seen together, cuz forever the best movie we've seen together. Cream water. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:15] Badr: Still, I still talk about, I talk about it too, that moment. And, you know, back to the listeners, um, you guys know the deal by now when it comes to these movie reviews.

[00:06:24] Badr: We're going, we're going to be spoiling the hell out of it. We just left the theater. It hasn't even been a full 30 minutes, and we immediately hopped on the mic. So full on spoilers going forward. If you haven't seen the movie, I have no idea why you press play on this episode unless you're just a glutton for punishment.

[00:06:38] Badr: But, um, starting right. Now we are entering spoiler territories. Nothing is off the table. We're talking about everything going on in this movie.

[00:06:46] Walt: I can't believe they killed them that quick.

[00:06:53] Badr: That's a good one. That's a good one. All right. How about we start off like this? Um, I wanna, I guess get everyone's like initial, like feelings about the movie and then we can go into each character breakdown and then we can give our final thoughts. But before I get everyone's kind of like opening, uh, statements, I just wanna share some of the headlines.

[00:07:12] Badr: Um, about this movie on, on Google and the different, uh, news outlets reporting. It, just headlines. And I wanted to get an idea of how you guys feel about it, if it's accurate or not. Uh, this one comes from Sydnee Morning Herald. I, I got all these headlines yesterday, but they wrote, the new Spider-Man is utterly bewildering.

[00:07:27] Badr: It's all part of the plan. Rotten Tomatoes, uh, spider-Man crosses Spider Verse first. Reviews a stunning sequel on one of the best comic book movies ever, which is, you know, Ron Tomatoes sometimes be holding back their credit. So that was pretty nice to see. And then last but not least, uh, the Verge. I like their headline a lot Across the spider verse is an animated masterpiece that upends Marvel, spider Cannon.

[00:07:49] Badr: And I'll share one more indie wires head, uh, headline for their review. Spider-Man Across the Spider Verse Review a dazzling reminder of what superhero movies can be. And just for the curious out there, cause I, I like to reference it. Right now it's sitting at a 95% tomato meter with the critic score and 98% audience score.

[00:08:08] Badr: Mm-hmm. Pretty damn perfect scores. Wow. So far on, you know, it's Thursday, 9 43. I doubt those numbers will go down. Pretty accurate headlines. How do you guys feel, I guess, opening statements, what do you guys got for it? Life.

[00:08:22] Blythe: I mean, I completely agree with everything that they just said in the headlines. I, a couple of the stand, obviously the art, um, the writing I thought was really good and it kind of just brings me to, I, I know that there's a lot of, I guess, theories around there being like superhero fatigue.

[00:08:38] Blythe: But when you go and see a movie that's really well written that looks great, and it doesn't even feel like it's been more than two hours that you're watching it, I, I think that that's when movies are really at its best. And so th this movie, you know, checked all the boxes for me. Uh, the, even the, the character acting like, even though it's drawn out, like it's still, you know, very good.

[00:09:00] Blythe: The voice acting is very good. Uh, I had no complaints except for that it ended, you know, as a part one.

[00:09:07] Badr: Yeah, and we got a full year to wait. I think we've got, I think it comes, um, the sequel Beyond the Spider Verse is March 29th. 2024 is a date that I seen, which feels way too long. Well opening statements about the movie, it was

[00:09:20] Walt: just fantastic.

[00:09:21] Walt: And it went, like you say, the two hours felt quick cause it was so much stuff kind of happening. And yeah, I enjoyed myself,

[00:09:31] Badr: man. Drew, you're a little quiet man. Tonight. I was just thinking

[00:09:36] Drew: about all the hair that, like that, that movie Animated hair. Like it was

[00:09:39] Badr: real. Yeah.

[00:09:42] Drew: Like I was like, damn, how'd they get that hair

[00:09:45] Walt: to look so real?

[00:09:46] Walt: Like when God's hair was crazy. Um, the, the Spider-man's hair was crazy. He was not lying about how dope his hair was and he doesn't here

[00:09:54] Blythe: anything. Yeah. Pavier. P A V

[00:09:58] Badr: I T R. Spider-Man India is, is what IMDBs got credit as. I'm gonna go with that. That movie was dope.

[00:10:03] Drew: It was amazing. It was like everything I wanted from a Spiderman movie.

[00:10:07] Drew: They really went with it. They're like, Hey man, we're gonna, what's a Spider-Man movie? Well, spider-Man has to suffer. Oh, say no more.

[00:10:13] Walt: Say no more. You know what though? Spider Verse is one of my favorite, like Spider-Man stories in general. So anytime that you bring that many different Spider-Man, From all the different universes or whatnot.

[00:10:27] Walt: You can get me to at least take a glance at it. Oh,

[00:10:30] Drew: and they went for it. It was like nothing, nothing was off the table when it came to this spider.

[00:10:34] Walt: You think you poor superior Spider Bang gonna be in the next one?

[00:10:36] Badr: I hope so. Come on. I really, they gotta that my opening remarks is this, that nobody asked you.

[00:10:41] Badr: Okay.

[00:10:45] Badr: You know what? He's not lying. Nobody asked me. Um, so, but be, so let

[00:10:48] Drew: me ask you this question, Andrew. What, uh, any opening remarks

[00:10:52] Badr: about this go? Had you asked that? Damn it. Now I'm like speechless. Cause no one's ever asked me that. If the first one was a love letter to Spider-Man, you're like, nuff said no.

[00:11:05] Badr: No other words need to be shared. Like you, you told me how much you love Spider-Man, but they came back with a sequel and you're like, wow. You found new ways to tell me how much you love Spider-Man. Amazing. Like I got two love letters about one topic in each one. Uh, surpassed each other. I cannot believe how.

[00:11:21] Badr: Much. This felt both like a sequel. I was curious how much continuity there would be between, uh, this one and the first one. But the, I mean the literally, the, the spot whole story starts out in the first one. So like there's reasons to go back and revisit it and catch small things that, that carried over, but like the continuity was seamless and it, it felt like such, it stands out on Hiss own too.

[00:11:46] Badr: You know, the fact that fun fact, uh, my brother Joe usually joins the Short Box movie club. He don't stay for the recordings, but he enjoyed the movie obviously. And I was surprised to hear him admit he never seen the first one. So I was like, I was there. I

[00:11:59] Drew: was there when you found out too. Yeah. It blew my mind.

[00:12:01] Badr: I'm like, what the fuck were you doing here? You took so much ticket spider

[00:12:06] Drew: that beat

[00:12:06] Badr: you, someone else. But I think it's just a testament to how strong this movie was on its own that it, it also works in reverse, where now he was like, I'm gonna go home and watch the first one. You know? Is he still on

[00:12:20] Walt: Netflix?

[00:12:21] Walt: It may be on, it's

[00:12:23] Badr: on FX literally right now.

[00:12:25] Walt: Yeah. And it's probably also on either Stars or

[00:12:30] Badr: Disney. It's always, it's not on Disney Plus yet. It's always on something that you're like, I don't pay for that. Anyways, so we got our opening statements out the way. Let's work down the, the character list, but I'll give you guys a chance to.

[00:12:41] Badr: I guess mention your favorite spider person. Let's go with that first. Was there a particular spider person that stood out to you and then we'll, we'll each kind of share something about it. I'll go out and kick us off cuz you guys mentioned 'em already. But Spider-Man India voiced by, uh, Karen Sony, um, who Drew had to inform me was the cab driver in the Deadpool movies, which is fantastic.

[00:13:04] Badr: Spider-Man, India was, A joy mm-hmm. To like have on screen. He was super sweet, funny, confident. I love the little, uh, yo-yo things that he had going on. Like and his world too was so chaotic. I love that. Even when Miles and Gwen got there, well, mainly Miles. It was such a culture shock to him. He had a chance to like really like, uh, uh, I guess for them to like portray like Indian culture, right?

[00:13:27] Badr: Mm-hmm. Like how when he was joking about like chai tea, you know what you saying? TTI and, and non breaded. Nah, not bread. Bread, man. Uh, yeah. I had a good time with him. Any um, thoughts about uh, spider-Man Indian? Any particular scenes? Most The hair

[00:13:40] Blythe: was great. Yeah, but he should have covered it while wearing in, in the costume.

[00:13:44] Blythe: That's a dead giveaway. Like he didn't even change

[00:13:48] Badr: the part. Yeah. Too foolish. She's been out here being too reckless. When you got good hair like that, like that, you have to hide it. You can be a little reckless, I guess, but you have to hide it in the costume. All right, fair enough. So Blythe had some, uh, some beef with the hair.

[00:14:00] Badr: It was too good. Well, what about you? Any, that such thing is too good. Any opening, any thoughts or particular scenes or moments about Spiderman Indio?

[00:14:08] Walt: I guess the main thing was that they tried to use Spider-Man, um, 2099. Mm-hmm. Then he was like, okay, this is your fault that this happened. In his area. And since he didn't have that cannon moment mm-hmm.

[00:14:22] Walt: Now we gotta fix this thing. And I thought that was interesting. That involves his world

[00:14:27] Badr: in essence. Yeah. Remind me, was Spiderman India part of the, uh, Gwen's team at the end? Yeah. Oh, he's there. Which makes sense, right? He's like, damn, y'all was gonna let my girl's dad die. Oh, true. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like, If it would've worked out, how sorry.

[00:14:43] Badr: Uh, Miguel Harrell wanted it. They would've just let that version's Gwen, his, his Gwen, his Gwen's dad's. He was supposed to die. Yeah. Yeah. He was supposed to die. You get what I was trying to say? So there's motivation for him in the next movie to be like, hold up. Like, because they

[00:14:55] Walt: showed when he ran into Spot and he touched spot, they showed that death happening.

[00:15:01] Walt: So they showed that happening and then they also showed Spider-Man Miles, Morales's dad dying. It was like, They was all inter, those three deaths were intercut with each other. Also,

[00:15:12] Drew: the, the, the funny mention with like, I think he was Spider-Man for like six months

[00:15:17] Badr: and he was like, wait, you gotta watch already?

[00:15:18] Badr: Yeah, yeah. And then like, I thought

[00:15:20] Drew: that was like a really good callback.

[00:15:21] Walt: I didn't think he was, I thought that he had been Spider-Man. He was only on that team for six months. Well, I

[00:15:26] Drew: think he said he's been Spiderman for six months. It's one of the things like he probably like first day became Spiderman and then immediately

[00:15:32] Badr: got a watch.

[00:15:34] Badr: My house was like, damn, you gonna let him join the team? I thought that was pretty funny. Well, who was your favorite spider person?

[00:15:39] Walt: I mean, it was tough. So I'm gonna name a bunch of spider people that I liked. Yes. So number one obviously was Jessica Drew. Mm. Cuz you were voiced by Issa Rae and I was not expecting that at all.

[00:15:50] Badr: Wait, so you hadn't seen any of the promotion or any of the Because I, I think she was pretty heavy on like,

[00:15:55] Walt: I haven't seen any of the trailers Really? For that movie. Wow. For some reason, either they weren't in the movies I was watching or I just started tuning them out after a while. Cause I was like, I don't need to.

[00:16:05] Walt: It's kind of, I'll tell you what, real quick, just a quick sidebar away from this.

[00:16:08] Badr: Well, this is the short bike, so the sidebars is like what the S stands for. This

[00:16:12] Walt: has been one of my biggest issues with the promotion of the flash is that every trailer I see feels like they added another minute of trailer.

[00:16:21] Walt: That trailer went from like 30 seconds. That's a five. It feel like a five minute trailer, half the time. That's probably a safe thing. How long was that trailer

[00:16:27] Badr: today? It was long enough to where I was like, okay, so I've seen too much

[00:16:31] Walt: of this movie and I know way too much about this movie.

[00:16:33] Badr: Yeah. I was like, okay, so Super Girl or Superwoman is gonna fight ZA at the end, and that might be the big, like big battle, but who knows?

[00:16:41] Badr: But I do agree trailers lately have

[00:16:43] Walt: been that pretty, not all trailers Z trailer in particular is way too spoily, so I just try not to be watching all the trailers. All I need is a teaser. And the like. The one minute one, like I didn't, yeah. So anyway, enough of that. I'll go, I'll digress and we'll come back to that later.

[00:17:01] Walt: So I like the Jessica Drew one and spider punk was just, just

[00:17:06] Badr: ridiculous voiced by art guy Daniel Kluk. Really? Yes, sir. It's voiced by Daniel Klu, man. That's why that fool sounds

[00:17:14] Walt: so reckless. Okay,

[00:17:18] Walt: so him. And then the third one, I like mayday.

[00:17:23] Badr: Man, I was, I would not have expected that. Why? Why Mayday? What was so great about Mayday of it being super adorable? You know what, don't even answer that. No, that was a dumb question. It's a cute baby

[00:17:31] Walt: spider. It was just a ridiculous baby spider girl. And I think he is supposed to be like the al, you know?

[00:17:38] Walt: Cause they typically kind of have maydays in some of those Spider verse comic books. And you rarely get to see the baby mayday, sir. Yeah.

[00:17:45] Badr: Fair enough. Wal, the Wal got a big heart man. He got a, he's a softie. He is softie. All right, let's use, uh, Walt's picks to talk about Jessica Drew. I was pleasantly surprised that like she wasn't, because you know, Issa Rae, I think, I think sometimes the Easies to be like, okay, she's gonna get, like, you almost would expect her to be like the jokey one.

[00:18:04] Badr: Um, you know, they're gonna play her really lighthearted, but she was really serious and like, No pun intended, but like she was also very motherly, like serious motherly to like Gwen, and I liked that night. That's cause you were pregnant. Well, yeah, that's why I said, no pun. Oh, I guess it wasn't, no pun intended, but you know what I mean.

[00:18:20] Badr: Yeah. No one is

[00:18:20] Walt: gonna know the pun, you know? You're right. Yeah. But you're right. She's motherly because she was becoming a mother. You're

[00:18:26] Badr: right. But the dynamic between Gwen and Jessica Drew and Gwen's initial reaction being like, holy shit, you're so cool. Can you, what? What did she say? Will you adopt me?

[00:18:35] Badr: Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was rad. And the use of her motorcycle too. She had like a vehicle the whole time and was using like the vehicle to fight, move around obviously, but like the fact that it was like such a, a, um, seamless extension of

[00:18:49] Walt: her. Did she have that motorcycle on that last major Spider woman run?

[00:18:52] Walt: I think so. I feel like she was on a, I feel like on a motorcycle. On a motorcycle When, when she was pregnant in what, about four, five years

[00:18:59] Badr: ago? Yep. Life. Any, uh, thoughts that come to mind about, uh, Jessica Drew Spiderwoman?

[00:19:04] Blythe: I, I, I really liked her, especially during or towards the end because I felt like she was gonna turn and maybe join Gwen's group.

[00:19:12] Blythe: But I did also, I, you know, she had enrollments when she was funny because there was that one line when she was talking about her husband. She was like, yeah, he's a little corny, but he's hot.

[00:19:22] Drew: I want to

[00:19:22] know

[00:19:22] Badr: who that is. I thought this whole time up, up until half, half the movie that it was Miguel O'Hara, like, cuz they were.

[00:19:29] Badr: I thought she mentioned Miguel, maybe, or like, just the fact that like she was able to kind of like speak to him in a way. I thought maybe that was his baby, but obviously by the middle I was like, oh, that don't make no sense. But now I'm curious. Yes. Who is the baby daddy? Who's,

[00:19:44] Walt: who is the, who's the baby dad in, in the regular comic

[00:19:47] Badr: books?

[00:19:48] Badr: That's probably where I need to go. Were, were those

[00:19:50] Blythe: covers that they used during the movie? Are those the actual covers of the comics? Those are

[00:19:54] Drew: actual covers of comic books, but um, they've just freed in some of them.

[00:19:59] Badr: Oh, I think Wal Drew, you guys might recognize this, but that one cover they showed where it's Miles and um, uh, Miguel o' Herro, Spiderman 29 9 20 99 on the cover.

[00:20:09] Badr: Leonard Bernardi's name was at the top corner and Rick Leonardi, I believe is the original artist for Spiderman 2099. So I was like, oh, that's a cool little one. That would be correct here. Thank you so much Mr. Urs. What'd you think of the spot? Oh, you want to go straight to the spot? Yeah, I just wanna talk about the spot.

[00:20:24] Badr: Cause like I thought he was gonna be, how's segue?

[00:20:26] Drew: I honestly thought he was gonna be a joke. And I like the fact that he is like, oh no, you think I'm a joke?

[00:20:31] Badr: Watch voice by our guy Ja, Jason Schwartzman. Mm-hmm. His character arc in this was so kind of classic Spider-Man villain, right? Oh, you think I'm a joke?

[00:20:42] Badr: Let me show you my potential. So it's not only about Miles Morales and you know, finding his potential, but you've also got this villain that's also like learning the ropes and becoming stronger and more depth. You set 'em off on this path.

[00:20:55] Blythe: Yes. Yes. By throwing a bagel at him,

[00:20:58] Drew: which is funny. Somebody throw a bagel at

[00:21:01] Badr: me.

[00:21:01] Badr: All right. You guys know I love to talk about the status of our theater and life. Bringing up the bagel. Just reminded me, I think we had a fucking ghost with us hanging out in the theater because you guys heard the dude to our immediate right, that was laughing. I mean, he just had one of them loud, kind of obnoxious laughs, right?

[00:21:19] Badr: Well, you didn't hear it? No. Cause I was Wow, you were way too far off. Plus I was probably laughing when you were laughing. Wrong. I know of life. You heard it Drew, you heard him, right? Yeah. Cuz he left and he never came back. Dude. He left and never came back. Where the fuck did this guy go? No. Cause he's

[00:21:32] Blythe: sitting in the extra seat.

[00:21:34] Badr: Was he in 13? He was. It was a ghost in 13. Oh shit. Because that bagel scene made him, I was like, wow, this, that bagel joke really got to him. That's early in the movie. Mm-hmm. That's where I'm singing. Like he left. I was like, oh, he'll be back and he's going to laugh. This whole movie. He never came back.

[00:21:52] Walt: The people next to me got there like about 45 minutes.

[00:21:56] Walt: I feel like, into the movie. I saw that like

[00:21:58] Drew: when they showed up, I'm like, y'all just gonna

[00:22:00] Walt: sit there? They got there so late that I had to move my popcorn after they see,

[00:22:04] Badr: damn. There was, there was definitely a butter puddle. Yeah, I

[00:22:06] Walt: was. See, I say, why at this point, why would you come to see this movie?

[00:22:10] Walt: Maybe

[00:22:11] Blythe: sneaking in, they

[00:22:12] Drew: were fighting the car. Oh, that's what it was. And was like, yo, well let's just save this night and we'll watch the rest of this movie.

[00:22:18] Badr: But to go back to spot. I think my favorite scenes of his, I'm just gonna call 'em like nightmare scenes where the screen went black and white, like the black and white and the flashing and like how just scary the artwork suddenly became, um, especially when he turns all black and he's got white spots.

[00:22:36] Badr: I thought that was a cool visual representation of him, like getting darker, stronger, like more like just deadlier life. Any thoughts on spot? Not really.

[00:22:47] Blythe: I thought he was pretty decent at like, I mean, you guys all said kind of, you know, the, the same thought process I would have. I almost felt like he was a secondary villain.

[00:22:56] Blythe: To an extent to Oscar Isaac's kind of villain

[00:23:00] Walt: arc because he's wildly villa. Oscar Isaac is wildly villa this in this film.

[00:23:04] Badr: I was getting really scared myself when, when he's talking to Miles and basically like, you know, you're nobody, you were never meant to be. Phenomenal fucking voice acting man. He's a broken man.

[00:23:15] Badr: And I thought the art, the artwork and his like, just the visual portrayal matched the voice so well. And the personality, like, you're like, nah, that's a seamless, is there anything he

[00:23:24] Drew: can't do when he first comes up and, uh, it's him and Gwen Stacy, and they're fighting that vulture, that version of like the, um, Victorian Esca Vulture.

[00:23:34] Drew: The Leonardo DaVinci Titan. Yeah, the Leonard, yeah. And like, he's basically just going at him and everything that's coming out. I'm like, yo, I like the way that he fights. And then, He takes off his mask and uh, he's about to bite into home dude's neck and then he immediately has

[00:23:48] Badr: to stop. I thought they were gonna come back to that, like maybe he needed to, uh, uh, drain energy, but they did not.

[00:23:54] Badr: But it was enough to let you know off the rip. This dude is not

[00:23:58] Walt: pure. I mean, damn. He is in the most important part of that movie, basically, that, that whole chase part.

[00:24:04] Badr: How good was that chasing? It was.

[00:24:08] Walt: Everything that I didn't know I wanted to see and didn't sing, because normally I don't read Spider-Man as much as y'all, but I read certain issues.

[00:24:18] Walt: Normally the spiders, they're never antagonistic toward each other. That's not how that works. So to see 2099 being like that aggressive. And to have all the other spider people behind. Cause I just pulled his Wikipedia, lifts up all these spiders in this movie, bro. It's a lot. And isn't it, they don't even have 'em all, they say superior Spider-Man is in there.

[00:24:40] Walt: Uh, to Drew's

[00:24:40] Badr: point, it was a visual overload a lot of times from, from the art style consistently switching up, uh, to the, the color palettes. And when they got to the Spider Society, which I think is a great name, I was trying to keep up with all like the Easter eggs and camels and it was just like too much.

[00:24:57] Badr: It was like, oh shit. There goes Ben Riley. Oh man. There goes the web Slinger, Ooh T-Rex, spider-Man. Ooh Cat, spider-Man. Bloody Spider-man. Andy Sandberg was Ben Riley, which is so good. I love his one line. Uh, when you first meet him, don't, what did he say? He's like, Don't worry, I'm over here thinking about my patrol.

[00:25:15] Badr: Best.

[00:25:20] Badr: Perfect pose.

[00:25:24] Badr: If anyone has anything, we'll come back to Spider-Man 2099. I wanna talk about, cause Walt brought up the list of, of Spider-Man cameos. Was there any particular cameo or Easter egg that you caught, or maybe one that just like, caught you by surprise or blew your mind? What's, what's the

[00:25:38] Drew: one Spiderman that, uh, you had watched from Disney plus?

[00:25:42] Drew: It was right after the Spider-Man cartoon, like Spider-Man unlimited.

[00:25:46] Badr: Oh, uh, yes. Spider-Man Unlimited. The Spider-Man unlimited was really cool to see. The animated spectacular Spider-Man that was showing up was great, and the fact they kept them in, like their original art style was so cool. I'm gonna go ahead and say Lego Spider-Man was such a good little cameo and the fact that like, he's, you know, so adorable.

[00:26:04] Badr: You're, you're one of our best Peter Fighters,

[00:26:05] Walt: the Spider-Man. Oh, the spider, the handicap spider girl was pretty awesome. Yeah, her joke was pretty good too. Yeah, cuz she said something and then next thing you know, she started doing

[00:26:13] Badr: Spider-Man stuff. She goes, uh, she says, uh, what'd she say? She's like, miles, do you think that Spider-Man used, uh, our jokes, jokes as a crutch?

[00:26:21] Badr: And she's like, get it crutch. And she fucking jumped out the, the chair

[00:26:24] Drew: and whip whips out a crutch and starts hitting him with, they're like, all

[00:26:27] Badr: right, life. Any, uh, particular Easter eggs or, or Spider-Man cameos? There

[00:26:32] Blythe: was one moment when it was the Hello Peter. From Doc A, that actor. I did like that, that was, that was a very brief moment.

[00:26:42] Blythe: Alfred

[00:26:42] Badr: Melina. Yes. Alfred Melina. Good job. Yeah. I'm surprised no one has said this one yet, but Donald Glover. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. As Prowler blew me away, obviously for the, the reason that it's fucking Donald Glover, first of all, the fact that he's in a prowler suit cuz he was prowler in the um, um, in the M C U movies in M C U.

[00:27:02] Badr: I mean, it was like, oh damn. And he's getting to meet Miles, and Miles has that interaction with him where he's staring at him and he's like, you know, it's rude to stare. I was like, damn, that's, that's dope. But the other layer to it too is this movie sometimes looked so real. It didn't look at a place that Donald Glover was there.

[00:27:19] Badr: Like there was a few No,

[00:27:21] Walt: because even when you write, when they, even when they intersected all those different clips from the other movies. Mm-hmm. None of that felt weird. It just was like, That movie flows really well.

[00:27:31] Badr: Mm-hmm. Did it feel long to you guys, like the movie is two in 22 outta 20 minutes, did it ever feel like draggy and anymore?

[00:27:37] Badr: No. No, no. I just

[00:27:38] Walt: knew the end was coming by the time the end was coming. Yeah.

[00:27:43] Badr: Honestly, I thought that movie was going to end when Miles gets into, you know, quote unquote his universe, I thought cuz they felt like they were giving a speech, you know, like the, the voiceover was going on. I was like, oh, this is where it's gonna end and it's gonna pick up with them, hunting them down.

[00:27:56] Badr: But the fact we got like, 30 more minutes of the movie and got to meet evil miles. Oh, it's like the days of the future passed. Yes. That's good reference. Oh no. So it didn't feel, it never dragged for anyone, right? No.

[00:28:08] Blythe: Okay. I was trying to think of like what they could actually, because the, that comment was made before the movie.

[00:28:12] Blythe: Like, gosh, this is gonna be such a long movie, but what could they possibly cut out? Nothing. It

[00:28:18] Badr: felt like that movie had a lot of room to breathe and they took advantage of it. Like to open up with Gwen Stacy, I thought was a pretty interesting choice. Because it's like we're gonna, we're not gonna give you miles just yet.

[00:28:29] Badr: We're gonna go ahead and set things up and, and get all the pieces on, on the chess board, and we're just gonna focus on how badass Gwen Stacy is. Gwen Stacy might be my second favorite. She was phenomenal in this man like this. I felt like she was just as integral to like, had a major spotlight. This

[00:28:47] Walt: story doesn't work without the three people, the main three characters from the previous

[00:28:51] Badr: movie, and I was so happy to see Peter B.

[00:28:53] Badr: Yeah, show up man. And some slippers and a pink furry, uh, bathrobe. I mean, come on.

[00:28:59] Walt: Nah, that dude was out here just being like the world's most wholesome daddies. Dad vibe, spider-Man.

[00:29:07] Badr: Yeah. Uh, drew, any thoughts on, uh, Gwen Stacy or Peter B. Parker?

[00:29:12] Drew: Um, no, I'm on more or less the, the side of miles of just like, you know, they didn't tell him anything.

[00:29:18] Drew: They're like, oh, you couldn't, you didn't visit me because Yeah. That, that's the part that sucked where you're like, dang. This entire time they knew who he was and like what he was capable of. It's very uns Spiderman liked to do that. Hmm. I

[00:29:32] Badr: was like, damn, everybody is gonna hold onto the secret. And, and treat miles like he don't belong.

[00:29:38] Badr: That's what a good villain does.

[00:29:39] Walt: Mm. It is gonna be real curious to see his, um, his redemption in the next one when he realizes that he made a mistake. Just because he made a bad mistake doesn't mean that those other things that happened are mistakes. Yeah. You can't go and replace. A dead version of you.

[00:30:00] Walt: Like this never works in any movie when people do this. Exactly. It's never cause it is always bad.

[00:30:05] Badr: Miles should have looked at Miguel like, that sound like a you problem

[00:30:09] Walt: because you did that. I didn't replace the

[00:30:12] Badr: old miles and I would've looked at all the other Spider-Man. Like, I cannot believe y'all would follow this.

[00:30:17] Badr: Like no one, the thousands of you. But you know

[00:30:20] Walt: why they're following that. Hmm? Why? Because they don't have a six 16 Spider-Man there.

[00:30:26] Drew: Know they do they, uh, the 616 is the, is it in Peter B? It's, uh, Peter b He's not a six 16 Spiderman. I swear to you, when Gwen was going through the thing, she put 616 Oh. And that she ended up in his place.

[00:30:39] Badr: Why you look that up? How do you guys feel about the ending? Like the fact that we're getting, um, did it catch any of you off guard? Like how do you feel about this alternate take on miles and you know, him being the prowler. I mean,

[00:30:51] Blythe: obviously it was a shock. Uh, I, I totally forgot that there, shocker.

[00:30:55] Blythe: Probably that's a joke. I totally forgot that they were gonna do a part two, so when it ended I was like, oh, damn it. But I thought it ended on a, on a pretty good spot.

[00:31:04] Badr: Drew, what did you feel about like the, the Cannon event and then breaking down or using that as like, As the means to explain like multiverse and basically incursions.

[00:31:14] Badr: I was like, alright, so this is basically like incursions.

[00:31:16] Blythe: Oh, that's the word

[00:31:16] Walt: I was looking for. That's okay. Yeah. Real quick. I did is notice something on here. Before we jump on that, drew, let me just cut you off real quick. You're good. And what if you remember when Dr. Strange went crazy in that, um, dimension cuz he kept going, he kept trying to say that woman or whatnot, uhhuh.

[00:31:32] Walt: And he started, he started glitching in the story. They took those glitches from Nat. And put 'em in this because of all the multiverse stuff from all these other different things. So that movie ties into the larger thing going on with Marvel right now with multiverse stuff.

[00:31:52] Badr: Kind of makes more sense why Donald Glover would be in it.

[00:31:55] Badr: Hmm.

[00:31:55] Walt: Yeah. Because since they've been messing around in the multiverse in so many different dimensions, so much the multiverse is broke, but it's not Malcolm Morales's fault. Hell no. It's really like, um,

[00:32:05] Badr: well, I mean, they, they mentioned that in this movie. Uh, yeah, he says it. Yeah. He's like, uh, well, what? He says something about, well, that Spider-Man that was hanging out with that Dr.

[00:32:11] Badr: String mm-hmm. Don't even get me started on them. And, uh, Gwen is like, it sounds like he needs to get his doctor license revoked. That's what I'm saying.

[00:32:17] Walt: Something like, that's the 6

[00:32:18] Badr: 16 1 right there. Well, actually, well, I went ahead and looked it up and according to into the spider verse Wiki Benjamin B.

[00:32:25] Badr: Parker Earth 616. I promise you is this, wait, hold up. Is this well deserved? Give round,

[00:32:35] Walt: give some gunshot is what need.

[00:32:42] Badr: What's the closest thing I got the gunshots on this

[00:32:44] Walt: thing you got?

[00:32:50] Badr: Actually, I do have a Spider-Man Sound bite.

[00:32:57] Badr: With animated Spiderman, did he have a cameo? Like the, you know which one I'm talking about, the nineties Fox? No, he probably did. Uh, but back to my question. You know what Drew, let me ask you this question actually. Who do you got in a fight between Cannon events versus incursion versus the way, um, uh, the ancient one explained the multiverse and endgame.

[00:33:16] Badr: Which one do you enjoy more at another cause? It's basically all the same shit.

[00:33:22] Drew: The ancient one in, um, in

[00:33:25] Badr: game or in Infinity War? Infinity War explained itself like

[00:33:27] Walt: cricket. Yeah, it's Wally Simple, the way she explained it. Fair enough. She drew it out. It was just like, If you do this, it destroys this, this, and this.

[00:33:35] Badr: You're right. She made that very idiot proof. But I thought the Cannon event in this one, it's a great shout out to comic books like the whole Cannon thing and like, you know how hyper-critical fans can be. We use that word. Yep. That's what I'm saying. If the first one was a love letter to Spider-Man, this one was like, okay, this a, a really detailed love letter to Spider-Man comics and Spider-Man fans.

[00:33:54] Badr: When he was like, we can't break cannon. I was like, every comic fan is like, sure enough canned

[00:33:59] Walt: experiment. I'd be hating that man. Like they do know that these people are paid professionals so they can write into the cannon. They can add to the cannon anytime they want to life. Any

[00:34:09] Badr: other, uh, characters that we need to mission?

[00:34:11] Badr: Let me go through the IMD B real quick. Cause I feel like spider there's plenty we missed out

[00:34:15] Blythe: Gwen. The parents, uh, miles'. Parents love them, especially

[00:34:20] Badr: his mom. I have a note here. I wrote Brian Tyre Henry talking to Miles when, when him and Miles, but Miles Spiderman are talking. And Miles are like, oh, well maybe get off the kid's ass.

[00:34:35] Badr: Is Brian Tyre Henry? Just not, I mean, the dude is amazing. Like in the same way that I was watching this, I'm like, man, Oscar Isaac. Is phenomenal, whether he's in front of the camera or doing a voice. Ryan Tyre Henry has such like a warmth to him, like a B, like a relatability. And you're like, like you can believe that.

[00:34:52] Badr: He's like this dad that cares about this fictional character. That

[00:34:55] Blythe: and the mom like, yeah, she's both of them. I love it. The moment when she, when they were explaining like, oh, he got a B in Spanish or whatever, and she snaps her fingers and the Dominican flag pops up for like a half a second.

[00:35:08] Badr: It really felt like a motion comic at times.

[00:35:10] Badr: I think actually in one scene, I, I had motion comic written down here somewhere.

[00:35:14] Walt: Spider Punk's Hole exists as is a motion comic

[00:35:17] Badr: from like the little dialogue boxes, you know, like to, to, for the inner monologues, and then even like to use, like, to explain things, you know, the, the little asterisks, like, oh, this means that the

[00:35:28] Blythe: vulture guy, when he was saying goodbye or something, they put it up in English.

[00:35:32] Blythe: In that, in that

[00:35:33] Badr: font. I, I never felt at any point that it, it felt stagnant. Um, well, there was definitely slow moments. I think like one of my favorite, like slower, kind of like, let it kind of brief moments was when Miles and Gwen first finally link up and when they're on that, um, the ledge hanging backwards.

[00:35:50] Badr: Oh, that was so, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Williamsburg, uh, uh, bank tower or whatever. Yeah. When Gwen is walking on that ledge and she starts going upside down in the camera, Moves upside down with her and then you realize like they're having this sweet, nice, like catch up moment, very cute and flirty, and you're like, these motherfuckers are hanging upside, upside down.

[00:36:11] Blythe: But then they pan out, oh, and the city is upside down next to the water and you can still see them sitting, you know, correctly. I guess in that shot,

[00:36:19] Drew: not knowing 45 manlet, 45 minutes later they were gonna betray him.

[00:36:24] Blythe: But there was one moment too between when he was like going invisible or something and it almost looked like the Toby McGuire.

[00:36:31] Blythe: Kristen Deth. Oh, Kristen Duns kiss. Oh yeah, because he's kind of, what is he hanging upside down? And she's not, she's kind of just standing there and I thought they were gonna kiss. I'm like, oh, spider-Man one,

[00:36:40] Badr: they're gonna kiss stricken about that scene. That scene was actually in one of the, um, I think when Miguel O'Hara is talking about the Cannon event and you know they have like the web and it's like all, you're like, oh, the Spider-Man cartoon.

[00:36:52] Badr: They had that one scene in one of the little webs. Mm-hmm. Well, you brought up that we literally were watching the uh, Andrew Garfield Spiderman one movie today, and the Uncle Ben Def scene is right there.

[00:37:04] Walt: Uncle Ben got popped and then I was like, okay, enough of this man. I was like, okay, because I had forgot little, he had forgot that he had got killed in that

[00:37:11] Badr: movie.

[00:37:12] Badr: Oh, okay. I, I wrote Motion comic because when they bring up Amazing Spider-Man one 90, which is the infamous death of Kathryn Stacy. Oh yeah. It is basically a motion comic. If the first, I remember thinking the first one, like, wow, they just took like a comic book and how I read it and put it on the big screen.

[00:37:29] Badr: This one was like, let's really lean into like letting, reminding people this is like all based on some comic books. I'm fairly

[00:37:37] Blythe: certain that Sony has patented that animation style. Hmm. So nobody else can use that kind of animation other than into the spiders.

[00:37:45] Walt: That's smart for them. Cause if not, we'll get inundated with that.

[00:37:49] Walt: And I don't wanna see a bunch of people do stuff

[00:37:51] Badr: in that style. I'm gonna say this much. This movie was very d h D friendly. It was like, if you want a bunch of shit going on in this movie, boom. All right. Like especially Gwen when she talks to her dad. There was a couple scenes where I'm like, I can't tell if this is 3D animated or paper mache or a combo of different medium.

[00:38:09] Badr: What

[00:38:09] Walt: did, well, you know what that really looks like. You remember that old school, um, video that that take on me video? Yes. Mm-hmm. Like they all look like that. It's a TikTok filter too. They all look like that, but like a thousand times better after the guy who drew that particular movie video never stopped drawing.

[00:38:27] Walt: Only got better

[00:38:28] Badr: take on me. Inspiring to this day. Yeah. Drew, what did you think about the music? Because that was something me and you talked about last, uh, the day before, was that,

[00:38:37] Drew: I'm gonna be honest with you, I didn't even pay attention to the music. Like I know that I was hyping up this like Post Malone everything, but like, nothing like I, like I was so focused on like what was happening that

[00:38:49] Badr: I was just like, I guess a loop y y'all, you too.

[00:38:52] Badr: And me and Drew were discussing if we were going to get another, you know, ex excuse the corniness, but like smash hit, right? Like you will. It's a guarantee. I don't feel, I feel like if, if, if there was one, we would've heard it.

[00:39:05] Blythe: Well, they played that song a few, a couple times in the first movie. I don't know.

[00:39:09] Blythe: You're talking about Sun. Think they played? Yeah. I don't know that they played a song more than once

[00:39:12] Badr: in this one. I think it goes out saying there was no comparable sunflower song for this one at all. There

[00:39:18] Blythe: was good music, but

[00:39:19] Badr: I, yeah, I agree. No, the music was, in my opinion, in this one, More of like an ambience, like it fit all the scenes just right, like the uh, um, all the spider wind, uh, scenes.

[00:39:28] Badr: In the beginning she had like, kind of like a electronic, but like electro punk vibe to it. Miguel O'Hara obviously had a bunch of awesome synth sounds. Miles Morales, I think he op the first time you see Miles Morales, it's like a rock kim song, you know, so the, it hit all the right cues, but I don't think there was that one standout song like Sunflower.

[00:39:47] Badr: It's, yeah,

[00:39:48] Drew: there's no summer soundtrack.

[00:39:49] Badr: Exactly. You remember when we went to go first? Go see, enter the spider verse. We played sunflower all the way back home. Yeah. Like a 25

[00:39:58] Blythe: million. It's like on a, a playlist back

[00:39:59] Badr: to back to back to back. Yes. I don't think there was that one big song that came out of this movie.

[00:40:05] Walt: I didn't realize that people would listen to that post belong song 18 million times. The song is cool,

[00:40:11] Badr: but don't shoot me wrong. Please, please. You've got, you've gotten 56 minutes without arguing. And I just want this to be a podcast full of Please look, it's

[00:40:21] Walt: all love's gonna do it. You gonna do it? Is it 18 billion or whatever it takes to get diamond streams?

[00:40:26] Blythe: What did spider punk say? It's a metaphor for capitalism.

[00:40:30] Badr: Pretty much

[00:40:32] Drew: life's killing her right now with all the Revolut look,

[00:40:35] Blythe: the Reddit. So this,

[00:40:36] Badr: I'll be honest with you, spider punk to me really gave me a headache visually cuz I, because you know, he's always like changing his really erratic and which goes well with his personality.

[00:40:46] Badr: But I was like, please throw some captions on this motherfucker cuz I can't understand the jokes. I can't just hear

[00:40:51] Walt: That's say, that's cause you don't speak Brav good enough, man. I You're right. Speak Brav. You're

[00:40:54] Badr: right, you're right. We have not mentioned specifically any miles, morales scenes. What was your favorite scene of Miles Morales and I'll, I'll go to Drew first.

[00:41:02] Drew: The, the one where Miguel O'Hara has 'em on the ropes. Miles is like, nah, I'm tired of telling people, telling me what to do, like I'm gonna day. That's inspirational day. Yeah, that's a good one. And he just basically pow, pow like you're like, damn, you freaking killed it. What

[00:41:20] Badr: did you say? He's like, I got all your spider people coming after me.

[00:41:24] Badr: And he had his like hand on his like arm absorbing his energy and I'm gonna do this. That was definitely like, damn, miles is coming into his own life. What about you? Favorite miles morale scene?

[00:41:35] Blythe: I'd probably say towards the beginning with him and Gwen like kind of swinging through the city. I thought that was really cute cuz I don't think they got a moment like that in the first one.

[00:41:45] Blythe: So for them to meet up for the first time in a while, be able to, he's, you know, able to show all his new tricks.

[00:41:51] Walt: Well what about you? When he tells his mother that he's Spider-Man. Oh my God, that is my favorite Spider-Man. There are other scenes in there. Grant, obviously this is a Mouth Morales movie, so there's a lot of scenes that are really good.

[00:42:07] Walt: But when he lets his mother know that he is Spider-Man and then Calamity Ensues.

[00:42:15] Badr: Yeah, I I'm, I'm gonna co-sign Witch you on that one. There's no top in that one. Yeah.

[00:42:19] Drew: Yeah. For, uh, I'm so glad that went first. Yeah. I'm so glad I went before

[00:42:22] Blythe: that one.

[00:42:23] Badr: I'm so glad I went first. Well, if you can, ladies and gens.

[00:42:26] Walt: How come I didn't get my applause? By applause? I was being

[00:42:29] Badr: a hater. I was being a hater. I was being a hater. You gave Andrew his applause. Nah, you get that. You got that. You got that. You got, that's dumb man. It does get annoying. Answer like three seconds. What did evil miles say? He's like, Mouse Morales. I was like, oh, damn.

[00:42:47] Badr: He get, he knows

[00:42:48] Walt: Spanish in this one. Yo, he knows. Roll, roll that are, there was a strong roll. The dread corn

[00:42:53] Badr: rolls. Did anyone notice the back piece of his like, uh, um, Cape was like, uh, uh, the Basquiat crown, which I think was, uh, imagery they used in like the first one with the spray paint might be looking too deep into it.

[00:43:05] Badr: All I'm saying is that miles is the, is the prouder in this universe. And Uncle Aaron's probably like, you know, His, uh, uh, Alfred, you know, his tech guy sets him up with the

[00:43:14] Blythe: jobs, so he knew that his, so when he first sees his nephew, he knows that he's an imposter.

[00:43:20] Badr: I don't think he knew off the rip. But I think by the time that he starts asking questions like, can you tell me the plan again?

[00:43:26] Badr: And he's acting funky. I think that was it. And how hard was that? That line? I'm paraphrasing my, if you don't let me go, my dad, you know, our dad dies and he goes, not my dad. No, his dad been dead. You know how evil you gotta be to look you in the face and be like, I don't care about your dad. That is also your dad in a way.

[00:43:43] Badr: You know,

[00:43:44] Walt: that is not really, I mean, we're talking multiverse

[00:43:47] Badr: schedules here. Fuck that. All right. I want every single multiverse version of me. To care about my dad as much as I care about him. I

[00:43:54] Walt: mean, yes, but what if, um, your dad died because there was no Spider-Man on that world. Because Miguel O'Hara may be correct in that statement that maybe this Spider-Man supposed to be here, but then you would've thought that another swiper a bit would've happened to lead another Spider-Man there.

[00:44:12] Badr: That ending sets this next one up so well like the fact that off the rip, you know? You know, and it's not gonna be like a lot of setup too. I think that's what makes me really excited for this next one is that they've already got a lot of the setup out the way, and I'm expecting it just kind of be like, you know, let's hit the ground running.

[00:44:28] Badr: I feel like Spider-Man fans. Are going to be eaten pretty good these next probably couple of years. Um, I read an article today on Variety and they, uh, I guess interviewed or talked to, uh, the producer, Amy Pasco. And she's already confirmed that she's, well, you got something to say about Amy Pasco. I mean, we'll just Okay.

[00:44:50] Badr: For another podcast. All right. Definitely. There's some history there between Wal and, uh, well, not really.

[00:44:55] Walt: It just depends on what you about to take on this

[00:44:57] Badr: sheet. Okay. Well, I was gonna say that they interviewed her and she's already saying that they've got a, uh, spider-Man woman spinoff, I would imagine Jessica Drew.

[00:45:06] Badr: But they, she just said Spider-Man woman spinoff. Um, a live action Miles Morales movie is in the works. And they're also doing a fourth Spider-Man movie of obviously Tom Holland and Zaya. Do you wanna see Miles Morale's like live action? Because I said I'm fine with it. No. Why no on your part, drew, what do I need to see it for?

[00:45:25] Badr: That's what I, how I feel. This one is already perfect.

[00:45:28] Walt: True.

[00:45:29] Drew: Yeah. I don't need

[00:45:30] Walt: anything else. It's kind of like when they keep making all these DC movies, but we know that if they would just let the people who did the DC animation run the actual DC Live films, then everything would work out fine. People like Amy Paque have to kind of keep making stuff to justify.

[00:45:49] Walt: She's only, don't put put it like this. Well, she only still has that Sony job because she was the person who brought in Spider-Man in the first place I think. So that's why she's still there. Other than that, she only deals in Spider-Man stuff.

[00:46:04] Badr: So the San Francisco, uh, uh, scene when Spot goes into like the real world and he's talking to that lady that in Behind the Counter, that's a Venom reference, right?

[00:46:12] Badr: Yeah. Yes. Okay, got it. Got it. Yeah.

[00:46:13] Walt: Cause she worked in the store that was below where Venom

[00:46:16] Badr: was at. Got it. So this movie was basically Sony. Like all these Spider-Man writes that we got, we are flexing. It wasn't Veno

[00:46:23] Blythe: Venom in the little Jeep too in the, in this movie. I don't know. He was in the little Spider-Man Jeep and they kind of drove off really quick.

[00:46:31] Badr: I think, I think that Spider-Man Jeep was like a Sensient Spider-Man being, which I thought was pretty funny. Yeah. So no, on the Miles Morales never give Spider-Man rights? No. Not after how much they made life. You're also No, on the miles Morale

[00:46:43] Blythe: is live. Yeah. Well, I, I could see how it's definitely gonna happen just because that's the only way that these big studios are funding new movies is if there's some kind of tie in to a previous franchise.

[00:46:52] Blythe: It's the only way they can financially

[00:46:53] Walt: justify it. But that's laziness though, because, is there anything else you wanna say about Spider-Man before we go into like a tangential. Thing about just movies in general and like the lazy narrative about like that you have to have like these franchises to fund

[00:47:06] Badr: all this stuff.

[00:47:07] Badr: Now, now we're just having fun. We're getting close to the end

[00:47:09] Walt: anyways. Okay, so my main argument is this. Let's say you are, um, I'm Walter Gant. Matter of fact, no, what's a movie studio name? Dude, I can just run with it. I am Walter Sony. So Walter Sony buys, I don't know, 40 scripts a year. Just 40 fresh ideas every year, and I make three of them.

[00:47:34] Walt: And now, matter of fact, I don't even make three of them. I buy 40 scripts, put 'em in a drawer and then make a bunch of Spider-Man movies. And what else does Sony make? Oh, I make Jumanji movies. I do that for sure. So I make, I'm in the Jumanji business, but I'm basically in the business of properties where I don't really have to be, cuz I got 40 scripts in there that guess what, 10 of those could probably be new properties, or at least 10 of them could have a damn sequel.

[00:48:02] Walt: But instead they don't make movies. That's why like something like John Wickens like an anomaly. But now they, they've made four of those I loved and enjoyed, but. How many other John Wicks are sitting in someone's drawer? Yeah, a lot of them.

[00:48:15] Blythe: Lot, a lot of 'em. And they're only gonna get, they're not gonna get funded just because that's the way the modern movie or the big studios, that's the way they, they choose to make money

[00:48:25] Walt: because they could have just funded the movie.

[00:48:27] Walt: It's not like it's taking them more than $20 million to make a John Wick movie. I mean, did you ever seen Erased a Bunch?

[00:48:33] Blythe: Have you seen, uh, Matt Damon on Hot Ones? I didn't see him on hot ones, but, well, he he broke it down. He broke it down. Yeah. It was like that one clip of like, you have to have two, at least 250 million in order to, to, to, for a movie studio, to bring a movie to the

[00:48:46] Walt: theaters.

[00:48:46] Walt: That seems crazy to me because guess what? Every movie is not gonna make $250 million. This is why people say they have superhero fatigue and be bitching about superhero movies, but that's not a superhero issue. That's a laziness of people. If you have lazy, nont, talented, um, People who nepotism their way up the ladder deciding what we get to watch.

[00:49:10] Walt: This is what the fuck we get. And it's not like I don't, didn't enjoy what I just seen today. I, I'm a con little person. I like these movies. Sorry about that man.

[00:49:17] Badr: No, you're good. So we are hyper no on the Live Action Miles Morales movie. Um, I think my whole point was that Spider-Man fans, there's a lot of things to look forward to.

[00:49:28] Badr: Spider Woman animated movie judge by this Miles Morales, um, live action. Fourth Spider-Man movie and, uh, something. Me and Drew are most excited for Spider-Man, uh, video game later this fall. So, uh, spider-Man fans, we looking good out here. We pretty much touched on everything I wanted to. We can't get through everything, you know, um, but

[00:49:47] Walt: we don't wanna just forward a whole damn movie either.

[00:49:49] Badr: Nah, bro, people will listen to these episodes expecting us to

[00:49:51] Walt: go all out. Look, we are not Kevin Smith. You are not about to hear the whole totality of a film.

[00:49:58] Badr: Final review, parting words. Any last things you want to say about the movie? Uh, drew, I'll look to you to

[00:50:03] Drew: kick us off. No, it's just the movie was amazing.

[00:50:05] Drew: I kind of wanna see it like three more times to make sure that I got all the information.

[00:50:09] Badr: Correct. This is definitely a multi watch movie just for the Easter eggs.

[00:50:13] Walt: I'll be watching this multiple when they come on a streamer or something, but I ain't going back to the movies to go see too many movies come out this year.

[00:50:20] Walt: I,

[00:50:20] Blythe: I want, next time y'all go see it, can you pay attention to when the movie first starts? There was something that popped up on the right hand side of the screen.

[00:50:27] Walt: I do remember that. I saw, I would assume that was the blob though, or the spot guy. Huh? I

[00:50:32] Blythe: don't, it was before anything started. Yeah, it's right in the right hand corner.

[00:50:35] Blythe: Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't know what it was.

[00:50:38] Badr: Ooh, listeners, look, if, if anyone watches it the second time before we do write a sin, all right. Write a sin. And if you could identify this thing, that life, this mystery thing that life brought up, like so it's Right. You didn't see it.

[00:50:50] Walt: Nah, I didn't see it. That's right.

[00:50:52] Walt: It was on the right hand corner. But enough of that, I, I give the movie

[00:50:55] an

[00:50:55] Badr: a. Short and sweet life. Any uh uh Last words about movie? Yeah. 10

[00:50:59] Blythe: Outta 10. It is one of those movies that you're gonna watch probably 10 times and find something new each and every time. A hundred percent writing's good animation.

[00:51:06] Blythe: Fantastic. That's why they

[00:51:07] Badr: patented it. It seems like they managed to continue to tell the story of Spiderman in a really fresh way, and I'm glad to see that Miles is kind of like the figurehead for it all. You know, great power, great responsibility thing has been. Especially for comic fans being hammer to the ground.

[00:51:23] Badr: Exactly. And the fact that Miles is the face of it and he's literally going up against everyone and like the whole cannon of Spider-Man and, and, uh, the spotlight that that's been put on him, I thought that first movie set the bar at an impossible height, but this one just like easily just clipped. Yeah, we got it from here.

[00:51:41] Badr: So I'm really excited to see what this, um, where this, uh, beyond the spider verse does. With that being said, uh, listeners, look, we just got outta theater. We tired. All right. I think we touched on everything that immediately comes to the forefront of our mind. Uh, if you guys are anything like us tomorrow morning, we're gonna be like, shit, we didn't even mention X, Y, Z.

[00:52:00] Badr: We didn't even bring up that scene. So this is where you guys come in. All right. Help us continue the conversation. If we missed anything, any glaring. Scenes moments, characters that you feel like we just didn't do enough Justice right into the show. Right? Right into the short box jacks gmail.com or send us DM on Twitter or Instagram.

[00:52:17] Badr: Let us know what you thought about this review in this episode. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the movie as much as we did. Wife Walt Drew. Thank you guys so much for hopping on the pod with me. Thank you being such good movie coach. Thank you for having me. Short Box Nation be well. Take care and like I always love to see.

[00:52:32] Badr: Continue to make mine and yours short box. We'll talk to you next week. All right, peace.