How Comic Book Auctions Really Work: A Tour Inside Heritage Auctions with Comic Book Auctioneer: Brian Wiedman - SBX Classic

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Yo, Short Box Nation! Hello again, welcome back!

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And thanks for press play today. you're brand new, welcome to the show. My name is Badr and this is The Short Box Podcast, the comic book talk show that brings you the best conversations about your favorite comics with the people that put their blood, sweat and tears into making them. Now, before  I  say anything further, I want to read a couple of headlines because something  major, something big happened in comics last week.  And maybe you were busy, maybe you avoided social media, maybe you live under a rock, maybe you missed this from NBC News.

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First edition Superman comic found in attic sells for $9 million breaking record.  From New York Times,  Superman comic  sets auction record selling for 9.12 million. And lastly from Los Angeles Times,  Superman comic found in the California attic sells for record 9.12 million at auction. I think you get the picture, 9.12 and I think that's the total amount with the buyer's premium. I think it actually sold for less than that,  but grand total 9.12 million. That  is...

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Insane.  So if I may pass along one piece of advice to everyone, go check your attic. All right, there might be money up there. If you don't have an attic, go check your basement. Go check a closet.  Go find this stuff. It's apparently out there. If you read the rest of the article or the rest of the story,  you end up learning that this comic was found in a box in an attic by three brothers in Northern California. They were clearing out  the house of their mom who passed away  and they found this comic  in a box.

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And what's funny is  that the mom, I guess, had always talked about having original copies of rare comics from the 30s and so on, but she couldn't remember where she put them. So it just kind of became like family lore.  And so she passed away and these brothers found,  I guess, a box of comic. Curious what else they found, but  this Superman number one, which was in pristine condition, was in there. They went to go get it CGC graded. It's a CGC graded 9.0, which I think is like one of the highest  grades for that particular comic.

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and then they sold it at Heritage Auction, which is one of the largest auction houses founded in the U.S.  And now we got a whole brand new world record. It's crazy how one cleaning session could lead to a world record in millions of dollars like that. So with that being said, that brings us to this week's short box classic episode. Like I said, it was released two years ago as episode 401 and it features my interview with Brian Weidman, who is a comic book consignment director over at Heritage Auctions.

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He joined me to talk about the busy life of a comic auctioneer, which was  an incredible interview, right? I've interviewed writers, artists, editors, colorists, know, shop owners. But it was the first time I can say I've ever interviewed a professional comic auctioneer. So we talked about everything from  what he does, the travels that he takes all over the world to find these rare and forgotten comics. We talked about the different world records that Heritage Auction has set, like

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highest Batman comic ever sold. I think at the time of this recording, when we recorded this interview, one of the most recent world records they set came in like 2022 with a $3.36 million sale of page 25 from Secret Wars number eight. And for those of you that aren't familiar with that particular issue, that is the comic that tells the origin of Spider-Man's black costume. One single page from that comic, the main page, the one that reveals Spider-Man in black costume.

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sold for $3.36 million. And if I'm not mistaken, that sale remains the world's most valuable page of original comic book artwork. Don't quote me, but at the time it definitely was. So this is a very interesting conversation about rare comics, old comics, and how comic books are sold at auction. So big shout out to Brian Weidman and big shout out to Heritage Auction on the new world record. I forgot to mention, Brian Weidman was the auctioneer that did the Superman auction. So

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He's a part of history, a part of this new world record. So if you haven't heard this episode before, this is a good one. I hope you get to enjoy it again. Maybe you've heard it before. Well, here it is. Maybe you get to relive it  and pick up something new. Before this episode plays, I do want to give a big shout out to everyone that bought something from the new Shortbox Merch Drop, that submitted a pre-order, that made a pre-order. Thank you so much. Pre-orders are done now.  I've sent in those orders to the printer, to Tiger Print.

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So they're working on getting those produced and I'm hoping to have everything mailed out to folks before Christmas. So I'm crossing my fingers, but just wanted to say thank you to everyone that bought something and submitted a pre-order. It means a lot to me. And lastly, if you want to listen to next week's episode today, go to patreon.com slash the short box. I got a great interview with world famous comic cover artist, Aaron Bartling. He was over at Gotham city limit last week doing a signing. They put out a shop exclusive variant that he did the artwork for.

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for Final Boss. So I had a chance to do a short interview with him that's over on the Patreon,  where you can get early access to everything I record, as well as access to partake in the monthly comic giveaway contest. You also get bonus episodes.  So yeah, check out patreon.com slash the short box. And with that being said, I want everyone to have a great Thanksgiving holiday,  and I'll catch you next week with a new one. Here's the episode, enjoy.  Now without further ado, short box nation, let's welcome for the first time ever,

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Brian Weedman to the show.  Brian, how are you doing, my friend? Happy Friday. Welcome.  Hey, Peter. How you doing? Thanks for having me. Brian, it is my pleasure. cannot tell you how excited I've been leading up to this.  We've been talking about this for months. Yeah. Yes, we have. And you know what?  It's been worth it just building up the hype. I've had a chance to I feel like go through every single item in this upcoming September auction. And uh yeah, I'm ready to pick your brain, man.

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Well, let me interrupt. I kind of want to blow your mind before before we start blowing everybody's mind. You know how you said we had hundred and ninety five countries and we sell in every country. that includes all the continents, too. That's one of the favorite stories around the owners. We have actually sold in Antarctica. There was a doctor that was bidding while in Antarctica on a scientific research mission and he won an item while in Antarctica. So.

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Not even a country. We have  the seventh continent that nobody thinks  exists and we got that too.  So  I do like that story. I don't know why. Oh yeah. Look, the tagline should be Heritage Auction. Global, baby.  Now, Brian, you're based, you're living in Dallas, right? Because that's where the Heritage Auction Main uh HQ is, Right.  That is correct.

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Ryan, you sound like a well-traveled man based on what I've been able to pick up  via our emails and a little bit we've chat.  Are uh you originally from Dallas or Texas? No, I'm from Chicago.  I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. What do you remember about the comic scene in Chicago growing up?  Oh, I mean, it's only been seven years since I left, so it's not too far removed.  Good. uh You had the main...

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comic stores around there, Graham Cracker's Comics. uh is,  know, Jamie Graham owns that.  He's a very well known dealer, uh comic book dealer on the, you know, on the convention  scene.  Plus he's got 11 shops, I think. So  he's got more shops than anybody in the country. So that's kind of who I grew up with.  But the comic scene in Chicago was always very strong. uh

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That's kind of one of the Midwest hubs for it. you  forgive the sneezing for my, my parrot guys. I apologize. I do have a parrot and I'm at home. So  she's going to, she's going to interject, uh,  her colorful commentary when, while, while we're at this.  Brian, before I ask how you got from Chicago to, Dallas, I want to actually find out what does the job of a comic book consignment director entail? Like, what, does that mean in Les Miserables?

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It means I go and I find, you my job is to facilitate the sale of comic books. So uh if you have a comic book collection and you bring it to us,  my job is to evaluate whether we can sell it for you or not. uh My job is to go look for them. We get a lot of phone calls  to build a rapport with clients  and to sell them on your behalf. So we don't buy comics  in general uh from you. We're not going to say, hey, you have a hundred thousand dollar collection.

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here I'll give you $10,000 for it and then make all our money from the client, we actually sell them for you and take a percentage off the sale price. So the more money you make, the more money we make. That's our basic premise. Is it safe to assume your job has taken you to some interesting places, got you in front of some interesting people? Like do any stand out? I was in Sydney in New Zealand a month ago. I got to go across the world.

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Yeah, for about two and a half million dollars.  Wow. Last year we sold one point four billion dollars in  collectibles.  If you can encapsulate some of these sellers or maybe like there's a standout interaction you've had, like  what are some of these sellers like?  Most of the people I deal with are  either retiring  or they're family members uh of people who have passed away.

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So most of the people I deal with are not the dealers.  My bosses tend to deal with the dealers  across the country.  But most of the people that I'm dealing with, I'm picking up the phone and they have a comic collection that they're  either  trying to plan for the future, like retire,  they've passed away, or uh the family members are not dealing with that. So my job is to try and figure out what they have because many people are very...

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We know about comics, right? You know, we're very enmeshed in the culture, but a lot of people still don't, even though  they watch the movies, they still don't know certain comics are very valuable. uh So my job is to try and help them, you know,  make as much money as possible.  So that's really it. My job is to is really a salesman. She  gets you to believe in heritage auctions, but also that I'm the best option for you.  I'm not I'm not out to try and.

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make money off of you. I'm trying to make money with you. Brian, so it sounds like you would be perfect  on, it sounds like Shark Tank  and  Pawn Stars combined together. Like the classiness. yeah. It sounds like that, yeah. Speaking of  that amount, you mentioned a billion dollar in sales. I shared some of the records that Heritage Auction has already made or broke. And a  lot of those records are ones that you guys broke.

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from your previous setting, which I thought was We do it all the time, yeah. It's insane. Yeah, which is a major flex. One of the ones I didn't share in the intro  is that uh Heritage Auction currently holds the world record for the highest price ever realized for any Batman comic. In 2021, they sold the finest known copy of Batman number one, a CGC graded 9.4, sold for $2.22 million, beating the previous record that was held by them. I was like, man, talk about a flex. These guys know how to sell comics.

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I brought that in. Oh, wow. You're the man. that in. Yeah. Yeah. In the same year I brought that in and I brought the lowest grade one in also, I had a coverless. So I had a coverless. had the highest graded and I also had a third one in between. It's really weird. Batman ones kind of migrate to me. I've had about five since, you know, in the last two years, but I've never had an action comics one. I've never brought in an action one or a detective 27. Never a Superman one, but I brought in the

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Five Batman ones, go figure. That one book that seems to keep coming to me. I how you've been so exposed to rarity. You're like, yeah, you know, I'm just a magnet. I'm a rare magnet. I'm a rarity magnet. I'm a Batman one magnet, you know, but I'm not a magnet to the ones that, know, the action one or the tech 27 or anything like that. Would you say Batman one is the craziest find you've ever had?

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When you're flying out or looking at collections, would you say Batman 1 has been like the craziest rare one? Well, yeah, I usually deal with a lot of Silver Age. A lot of it comes to us. I generally before I fly out, I know what's in a collection before I fly. But I did get a collection from Canada that had made a Batman. There were some books in there that made a Batman 1 look common.

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Wow. There was a Better Comics 2  that came out of Canada. It's the only one that's been graded. It's the highest grade. It's like a 7.0.  that's like the Better Comics 2. Canada  did a really weird thing in the  1940s. They stopped importing comic books. They didn't like the fact that  all these comic books were coming in from the United States. So they started making their own and put a ban on comic books.

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and they started with Better Comics 1 was their Action Comics 1 in the Canadian line. Wow. And so we had a Better Comics 2 and 7.0 and that would be like finding an Action Comics number 2 in the attic in the highest grade possible, you know, just, you know.

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out of nowhere and that actually happened. It came in from Canada and there were about 10 books like that that nobody had ever heard of, nobody'd seen, nobody'd seen in 20 years, things like that. There were about 10 books like that in that collection, all highest graded. They were beautiful. Does being a historian, is that a requirement for the job? Because that's something I've noticed about you, Brian. Outside of what you shared as far as your job, I noticed that on the

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Heritage Auction website, there's a  blog section and you write quite a few articles  and you seem very well versed in that golden, silver age and that atomic age. Was that something that you came to Heritage Auction already possessing or was that what you kind of picked up along the way? I knew all that ahead of time. ah I knew all that ahead of time. I know history very well. uh I kind of,  I...

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I minored into history in college. I was a major in political science. uh So I've got the kind of historical background, but  as far as the job goes, it was more of a  who I knew, not what I knew, even though I knew a lot about comics.  I'd been doing it for a very long time, uh but I got lucky to get into heritage just because of who I knew. uh You know, I mentioned Jamie Graham earlier, so he was very well known in the...

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circuit and my bosses knew him very well. He helped me get into Heritage.  My mentor, who I learned a lot of the golden age  stuff from 25 years ago, he helped me get into the department. uh But I've known this stuff for very long time.  I just kind of keep learning as I go.  It's not always...  The war stuff, I never would have thought 1950s uh war books would have been worth anything.

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five years ago, but that's kind when I learned how rare they are. And the more I learn, the more I research and sort of that. That's kind of how it comes about. Do you have a favorite era of comics or a favorite Pre-code horror by far. So 1950 to 1955 is my favorite. People would still count that as golden age or they would count that as atomic age. by far, 50 to 55 is my favorite.

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And then Golden Age, like. Silver Age is a dime a dozen, I'm sorry. No matter how much I say I love Spider-Man, if you had any idea how many amazing fantasy 15s I've held, I probably held 50 last year. Just held 50. They're a dime a dozen. In my business, they are. I'm not trying to sound pretentious or snobby or anything. It's just when you get them all the time, they're not as rare as you think they are.

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Um, they're only rare because of the value. When you're in a place that sells a lot of value, you see a lot of them.  What you don't see are things like 1950 to 1955, pre-code horror, uh, pre-code war comics, because they don't exist as much. You know, the census might be 20 census might be 10 on a lot of those books because there were books, they were burned. You know, we had book burnings in America.  Um, during that time we had the comic code authority coming out and they were censoring all this stuff. There was a lot of all this stuff.

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So those are very, very rare books. Brian, I had a feeling that I was going to  not only get a history lesson on comics and insight into how auction houses work, not only entertain, but I feel like my perception of rarity is about to be blown through the roof. already is. You're sitting here explaining to me why pre-horror books might hold a little more rarity than the... What's  the...

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phrase I'm thinking of. Then the typical, you know, I guess when you think typical, typical like rarities in comic books, you know, as a,  maybe as a casual fan or just someone that's, you know, just been raised on the big two, your mind definitely goes to like the SM  15s and, know, Detective Comics one and all those. But yeah,  that's a really good insight. I never thought about that perspective of like, these books  are rare because there was not that many made.

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And there was like an active campaign to get rid of them and have them destroyed. Right. And so, yeah, in 50 to 55, it was definitely like that. You had an active campaign. were 250 publishers in the country in 1950. By 1955, there were five. So you lost. 98 % of all the all the, you know, comic publishers in the country in five years. And the reason for that was.

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was juvenile delinquency. was getting bad enough where the parents needed a scapegoat. Instead of being a parent, they wanted to blame comic books or this,  you know, the doctor, Dr. Wortham, know, Frederick Wortham wanted to blame comic books.  And so he doctored his research, you know, he said, oh, well, all juvenile delinquents  are juvenile delinquents because of comic books. But he was, he was  saying that because  all juvenile delinquents read comic books, along with every other person in America. Yeah.

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1950s, uh those comic books were basically Mortal Kombat, you know, like that.  Let's shift gears to last year. All right, let's like fast forward just a little bit to last year. I mentioned in the intro, guys, know, Heritage Auctions set another record with that sale of that Spider-Man um from the sale of that page from Secret Wars number eight. It was everywhere. I mean, we covered it. A few other podcasts covered, I feel like every

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not just comic book news outlet, but other prestigious news outlets were also  talking about that sale.  Were you involved in it? How does your team or department, how do you guys celebrate those moments? Is it to the point now where you guys have done it so many times, it's like, yay, or is it still like, wow?  We look at each other like we're stupid because uh everybody, I know really seriously, because that was,  come on, there's no way that.

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that page was worth that much in our eyes. We tell a client, hey, look, we think it's going to go from X amount to X amount. And I think I saw the estimate at that point. was like 300 to $500,000. I said it was going to go from 500 to 750 because it was a big page. And then, you know, if you were watching that, I was watching that. My wife had COVID or one of us was sick. There was a reason I wasn't at the auction for that, but I was watching it remote.

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And I was at 750, it stopped. It stopped dead for about 10 seconds. And the auctioneer was going to start winding it up. And then all of a sudden, the next bid came in. The next bid came in. And it didn't stop at that point till $3 million later. So it was just that situation that it escalated to a point we just couldn't believe. Wow. So it even blew your expectation. I mean, that sounds like a lot.

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Is there a particular item in this lot and we can go into more detail about the specifics of this lot or the standouts but is there an item in this lot that you're thinking that your team feels confident might be the the Golden Child or the crown jewel of this lot for this week?  No,  you know, it's funny. We don't we don't ever really go into it. I mean, yes. So, you know, the punch 12  is a big deal. Anything we put on a cover is a big deal. um

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There was an incredible Hal Foster, not Hal Foster, Flash Gordon strips that came in. Some of the best Flash Gordon strips we've ever seen. The one that's in the sale is kind of the inspiration for Princess Leia. mean, that is an incredible piece, but it's not like that. We curate the auction and...

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hope it does really well and we are always crossing our fingers because that's our job, you know,  but we never expect a, you know, a hundred thousand dollar item to go for $3 million. We never expect a  $1 million  item to go for $5 million. It's not like that. We hope it will,  but you can't gauge those, those instances. You can't ever know that's coming because  those are two people who will just,  they have a lot of money  and they want the piece more than anybody else. And there's two people like that.

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They fight over it until somebody finally placed chicken and they throw in a towel. And that's what happened with the secret worst page. was, that's exactly what the people, two people finally said, no, if I can't win it, I'm going to make you pay for it. And they did, they did to a ridiculous number because listen, even at 750,000, that's way above any page.

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really that it should have gone for and then it went to a million. But then it didn't stop. It went to a million and a half and then it went to two million dollars and at two million dollars, the buyer's premium is 2.4. You I mean, you're paying 2.4 million dollars and now we have still another million to go. So that's how crazy that item was. You can't ever expect something like that. It just won't. And it doesn't happen really on a comic book. It does happen.

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every once in a while in a comic, but not on that kind of scale. know, something we think is going to go for $75,000 goes for $200,000 maybe, but it's not on a scale of it's, you know, it's a $1 million book and it goes for $10,000. That doesn't exist, you know, for a comic really. Could you speak a little more about the, the, the curation that goes into these auctions? Because I guess I completely overlooked that part. They, yeah, someone's got to, I guess in my head, okay, you guys went out maybe for a quarter of the year.

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got all these collections and you're like, okay, this is everything, let's put it on. But it sounds like, yeah, right? It sounds stupid, right? But you're saying- no, it doesn't because other auction houses do that because they're very, very small. And so they only have two sales a year, you know, or something like that. Whereas we're so large and there are so many people in our department all doing, you know, I'm one of 10 that are doing this. Gotcha. So I don't even see 1 % of the auction that goes into sale.

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Until it's out, you know when the sale comes out then I see it like I do like the variety You know like you guys have obviously like the the clear Holy Grails the cliche Holy Grails and then there's like so many different pieces of memorabilia and like Original art and then you guys have sketch. I like the variety I guess is what I'm saying Can you talk a little more about the mindset and the work that goes into curating, you know an auction with over 1,300 pieces We put those signature sales together. There's five a year

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And we carefully pick the best of the best. Okay. So  that's the signature sale. We have 52 sales  a year of just weekly sales  that a lower grade of basic fantasy 15 will go into that an amazing Spider-Man one will go into that the  20 other copies of every X-Men one that we get,  know, only the  8.0s and or above go into the big, big sale.  The rest of it all goes into the weekly sales. So we have all these different venues for that.

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And they do just as well in the weekly sales than they do the signature sale. But we curate that bigger sales so it is one of those attention getters. you go, look at what they have now. Oh my God, had the Frank Miller, Batman Returns cover, the number one. Who else would that have gone to? Because Heritage gets the best. Is there a particular

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auction or signature auction. We'll keep it just a signature auction. That you were maybe a little more proud, you know, that held maybe a little bit of a special um place in your heart. You know, maybe it's, you know, the story about going to get the items or the way you curated it. Is there like a standout auction that comes to mind for you? The Batman one, the  Batman one in 94 was a big one to me because I helped bring that in. uh But no, you know, I,  to be honest, I always worry that I don't have enough items in that sale.

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You know because I get so many you know Silver Age consignments that that I tend to go out and get most of that stuff doesn't qualify It's never in high enough grade You know most of the items I'm running across our 3.0 to 6.0 collections They're not golden age and for most you know most parts they're they're silver age runs of massive massive runs all the time and so

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No, you know, I'm an auctioneer also. So I'm also on the podium doing, you know, doing the sale. Uh, so I'm proud that I could just get through the day without sounding like an idiot.  So,  you know, uh, I know my number is very well. I know, I know I didn't mess this up. I got people a lot of money. So, you know, I, I look at them all about the same  by the time we're done with this sale in September, we're literally getting ready for the next one. So we worked so far ahead that.

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Our focus right now isn't on this auction. Everything we've done is already done that we can do. We're already working on the next one,  trying to plan that, get all the items in. Are they the right items? What do we have? Who do we have it from?  That sort of stuff. We work very far ahead. Ryan, don't think I'm going to let you skip over the fact that you also work as an actual auctioneer.

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And when I hear that, I'm thinking, are you the guy that's on the podium that's like, I get a $5,000, $5,000, can I get it once? Not that fast, but yes. It's a lot more. It's a lot more. We're a higher class auction house. We're not going to cattle call. They gave us those CDs in class, the CD cattle calls. Learn your rhymes, do this. And I never even listened to it because there was no way I'm going to. You need to know what I'm saying to be able to. Yeah, you're like,

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I may live in Texas, but I do not work at a Texas State Fair. Right. We have class.  If you're someone that hasn't watched one of these live heritage auctions, it is well worth your time. It's entertaining in so many facets. As a comic nerd that likes to just look at cool stuff, you can look at a bunch of cool stuff. But when it's time to watch the auctions and um take place and happen, it is just as thrilling. And  the way you describe that sale of um the Secret Wars Spider-Man page,

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I kinda wanna go back and find this video. Man, it sounds intense. I can only imagine. You can, it's on YouTube. Oh, awesome. So we have all the auctions. you  can find, so if you go into the lot number uh on the Heritage, you'll find the auction  number.  And then you'll be able to go onto YouTube and find it.  It'll be up there.  I'll make sure to uh pop some popcorn for that.

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When you're up there and something like that's happening, you're like, Oh yeah, let's go.  Feel like I'm  macho man, Randy Savage. yeah. You're celebrating like you bought it. You're like, That's  awesome. Well, that's  you get into it. Like, and if I'm on the phone, if I'm a phone bidder,  Oh man, if I'm one of the phone reps.

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and my  guy on the phone is going for an item. I'm like, bid, it's mine, it's mine, don't you dare bid against me, it's mine, you know, because I want my phone bidder to win it, you know, and so  it's one of those things. I like doing that stuff. It's a fun day out of the office. I'm not behind my desk, I'm not, you know,  it's,  I like it, I like doing the auctions. Do you have like any piece of advice for comic buyers or especially like people?

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that are trying to get more into the auction house style market, you know, that are tired of like the secondary market or doing the eBay route. Do have any tips or strategies when it comes to maximizing profit and stuff? Yeah, there's a couple. So a lot of people ask me, what do I think a good investment is?  I'm not an investment broker. You know, my job is to get you an item you want. So my first rule of thumb is always collect what you love.  If you love it, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.  It doesn't matter if it's worth a dollar.

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or it's going to be worth $5,000 later on. If you love it, it doesn't matter. If you're collecting it  for, uh you know,  investment purposes,  well, then it matters and you're on your own because you're to have to figure all that out.  know, but that's number one. uh Number two is as far as the auction part goes,  know your limits. um Because and I say that because when I first started

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buying with Heritage. I didn't start buying with Heritage until I started working here. One of the reasons is, and people will say this and they'll say this quite a bit, the 20 % buyer's premium is very intimidating to somebody who doesn't know. Okay. So the 20 % is a lot. So on a thousand dollars, if your bid's a thousand dollars, you have to pay $1,200 to take possession. So know your limits. If you, if you really

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can only afford $1,000, we'll factor the buyer's premium into that.  If you don't win it,  and this is where I was getting mad, I was constantly getting outbid and I was constantly upset because I wasn't winning  what I wanted to win,  well, we have something next week, you know, and so you're going to find things over the course of time  if you're just patient and you stay within yourself. Don't go crazy.

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Don't spend $3 million on a piece of paper, unless you have the money and you don't care, then it won't matter, right? Because that person had the money, they don't care. $3 million to them is like $30 to me. That's great.  To uh each their own, I'm not that rich.  But uh I've found  over the course of these few years, the seven years I've worked there, is that something will come up next week or the week after or the week after.

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And you can lose your paycheck to them that way. You know, it'll always be there always be something for you. Just stay within yourself. Budget if you need to. So well said. And look, if you're someone if you're a listener with said three million dollars to spare on a comic page art and you're not a Patreon subscriber, shame on you. I'm just asking for five dollars a month. You got three mil over there. What a terrible time to plug that.

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I mean, you got to get that in there somewhere, right? They don't call them shameless plugs  for nothing. I know that was shameless, but I'm just saying. It's more shameless having three mil and not supporting your favorite comic podcast. I don't know. They're kind of they're on the same right there. Two point nine nine nine mil and come on over to Heritage and buy and buy another uh page of whatever I wish I could afford. mean, that's Secret Wars page.  I love that page. I have a picture of me holding that page before before it's sold and

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You know, because that's what got me into comics, uh you know, aside from Spider-Man.  That was that that series is what got me into the X-Men. It's what got me into all the other,  you know, groups was because of Secret Wars. So I know that page very well. I've read it a thousand times. uh But, uh you know, you know, three, three million, man, I wish I could afford that. That's  Brian.  I guess like, do you guys  as an auctioneer, as a, you know, consignment director?

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Do you guys get  any like special privileges or first dibs when it comes to like some of the items you guys get? You've never made like a... I have to bid and win it just like anybody else. What's been like the best thing you've bid and won? Like what's a standout item? I have a couple. So I  don't buy comic books anymore. I'm away from those completely almost.  While I do still have some, I'm really transitioning out because...

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I can't hang them on my wall.  I've learned, you can see kind of behind me. uh I'm a big fan of Bugs Bunny and animation cells.  I'm a big fan of animation cells. So I have a uh Batman, the animated series,  Riddler  animation cell that has about 10 Riddlers on it. Oh, that's cool. So I've got that.  But I own an original of Vargas preliminary. uh Vargas was  a pinup girl, uh you know. uh

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illustrator in the 1950s and I didn't think I'd ever own a Vargas. They're very expensive, they're very rare, way more rare than a comic book and I just happened to get one. I got lucky, I got lucky. That's all I can say is I bid the right price, it was the right amount and I won it. Ryan, you are very classy man. You've said it yourself, you had Amazing Spider-Man 15 so many times you're just like...

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I get it, I get it. You're now like elevated. You're talking animation sales. You're talking a pinup girl illustration, original art. Not really class. It's just, like I said, it's collect what you love. But the problem with comic books to me was I was a dealer in the 90s. And so the problem was always money, money, money, money, money. It could always, it's always worth this amount. It's always worth that amount. But with an animation seller, know, an animation sells really original art. That's one of a kind. Even though there are 24 cells in a second.

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Each one is different. And so that's what makes up the movement.  none or two, you know, no two are alike. uh So I can say it's unique.  And when I hang it on the wall, it won't, I won't lose the color off of it. uh And artwork is,  is one of a kind. Comic art is one of a kind. And so I put that on the wall and I won't lose the inks off it.  Whereas if I put a comic book on the wall, I can only just look at it anyway and the  cover will fade. I have to keep it in the dark in a box in the closet.

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And  that's not what I want. I want to hang things on my wall and look at them.  know,  no different than anybody else.  Which is a cautionary tale, by the way.  If you're one of those people who have comic books and you put them on your wall, get them off your wall. I promise you, you will regret it 20 years from now if you do not. You are actually bleaching them, no matter what kind of light they're in.  At some point, you are going to damage the book. Get them off the wall.

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Take nice, really nice photo copies of them, high quality, high grade. You could put those on the wall instead, but don't put your comic books on walls. They will, it'll kill them. This episode is chock full of interesting facts and helpful information. That's how we're coming out the gate for season nine folks. Brian, how about we talk about some of the standout  items that are in this September 14th through 17th comics and comic art auction. Number 7341, if anyone's looking for a reference number.

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Let me share my screen if you're watching on the video version. I will try to describe everything we're sharing if you're just strictly audio Okay, so I gave us both the homework assignment of picking a few items from the auction that really stood out to us You sent me two so I want to start with yours  and we are looking at punch comics number 12 Tell us a little bit about this book here. Why'd you pick this one? So this is this is a classic uh

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cover. Again, it's a pre-code horror book. It's probably one of the hardest to get, even though I've seen about seven copies in the last five years. They're really, think, are only like 20 or 25 on the census, right around that number. And this is the highest grade, at an 8.0. And you know a book is really rare when the highest is 8.0. Oh yeah. Most books have a 9, 9.2 maybe, even 9.4, 9.6 for a lot of the newer stuff.

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But when you have a 1950s book that is an 8-0 or a 1940s, I think in this case, it's a rare thing. And I'm a big fan of black covers too. Black covers tend to show up all the flaws very, very easily. But as you can see, if you flip to the back again, you can see it's made on inferior paper. It's tanning around the edges and it's an 8-0. that's...

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That's the problem with those books. They were made with inferior paper, inferior inks, and so they aged much easier.  They were used in book burnings in America,  and so there aren't that many of them.  But this book is going to break all records  for pre-code horror. This is gonna be the most valuable by far. uh

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What a great classic cover. That's best Skull cover there is.  It's just awesome.  If you're just strictly audio  only listening right now, go ahead and you already got your phone by you. Go to look up Punch Comics number 12 and take a look at this. Not while you're driving, Obviously not while you're driving. Don't multitask. I know some of you are coming home from work right now. Don't do it while you're driving. Jump on there later on. We want to say the current bid at the time of this recording, which is September  1st, so a full 13 days before the auction even starts.

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Current bid right now  is 60,000 with the buyer's premium bumped it up to 72,000 already. It's going to go a lot higher than that. Wow. Awesome. Wait until you see. our auctions tend to die out. I wouldn't say die out. That's the wrong word. It's not really what I mean.  So you get a flurry of bidding in the beginning and at the end, last two days of the auction, you get most of the bidding.  So you get this lull of two weeks of looking at it. uh And that's because

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It's like playing poker. You know, you don't want the other person to see what you have.  And so you don't show your bids like that either. It's at sixty thousand. But trust me, that book is worth a lot more and it'll go a lot higher. I imagine you've probably got a lot of insight on the psychology  of people and especially when it comes to buying. You you mentioned like earlier about that, the bid between the two folks and that psychology of like, well, if I can't enjoy it, I'm going to make it, you know, as painful for you to enjoy it  as well. Yeah. You know how I know that?

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do that. I get so mad when I'm not getting the item I want. Do I push the person? better believe I do. I'm a jerk. don't, you know, because I want the item darn it. Stop bidding. So all's fair in the heritage auction. Love and war. All right, Ryan, your second item that you, that you wanted me to highlight was this item right here for our audio listeners. This is a Dan.

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Decarlo and Alison Flood, Veronica number 28,  original cover art. Yeah, original art for the said cover.  This is a classic cover. In the modern age, there aren't many classic covers. You have an amazing Spider-Man 300, but that's more  copper age. This is really a modern book,  but it's considered a classic cover.  I would be very surprised if this book doesn't go way, way higher. This, I'm not book, I'm sorry, the cover art.

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Um, because you've got Archie and Reggie sitting outside in the cold and she's in turn, you know, she's in a bikini, uh, doing a butterfly dive, uh, you know, into the pool and they're steaming up the windows. I mean, it's, it's about as, as a race as you can get for the nineties and the two thousands and, keeping it, keeping it PG rated. Uh, uh, but yeah, I, I, so the client that, that has this has a bunch of the Carlo.

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covers, uh which is one of my favorite artists for Archie,  and they're all bikini covers. And that's what sells,  are the bikinis. That's why Archie is as popular as he is. Even for Archie, sex sells.  As tame as it is betrayed. He's not. No, you don't know Archie then, because I thought the same thing until I started working for Heritage.  I had to grade a whole bunch of Archies, and I started realizing just how raunchy they are. Pull up Archie 48.

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It's got Betty and if you pull up Archie Comics 48, it's got Betty and Archie in the chocolate shop. they're sharing a sundae. goes, you want a spoon? And she goes, sure, pick me up at eight. Whoa! That's from the 1940s. yeah, that's.

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Those innuendo covers are a big deal. I own one of these. I love it. That's one of my favorite covers.  This cover was basically uh Cardi B WAP  for the 40s right here for all of you uh Gen Z's. The current bid for this particular cover is at $15.50 right now, which is pretty reasonable for original  comic book art, especially from Dan DiCarlo.  Oh, two weeks to go. m

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Trust me. It won't stay there if it stays under $2,000. I'll own it. There's no chance I have zero chance of owning that. That's what I'm talking about Brian. Talk your shit. I like it I have no chance of owning that page. I would love that. Brian could you it sounds like you are Obviously, this is probably part of the job is being able to grade a comic book just from holding it and seeing it like it was that something you already knew how to do from your press experience like you know setting up at conventions

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Yeah,  I had to learn how to do that a long, time ago. um When I got with Heritage, obviously, I  went through a lot of, you you need to get in line with what we do. ah But no, I've known how to do that for very long time. All right. Let me go ahead and share. Now, I think I told you before we hit record, I went overboard with the homework assignment. Here's my list and then here's your two. We're not going to go through all of mine. uh

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Look, I'll say this. You can burn some hours just scrolling through the items that are up for bid for just this particular. You really can. All right. I'm to go ahead and start with let me start with this one right here. And right now I've got pulled up on my screen for you video for your audio listeners. Frank Frazetta, deaf dealer. What is that? Six deaf dealer, six painting original art from 1990. The current bid at the moment is three hundred and twenty thousand.

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Brian, could you say a few things about this glorious epic piece right here? You know, we've sold that before. What? Yeah. number This is the second time we've had this. Oh, wow. So now just slixing. Yeah. If you pull up the last one, I think it went for $1.26 million. I think that's what it went for. We give Frazetta paintings in quite a bit. Maybe one a sale, maybe one every other sale.

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I mean, what do you say about Frazetta other than he's the best?  He's the master. ah he just  is, it's,  I'm in awe.  I want to see the Death Dealer number one. That's the one I want to see. That's the image everybody knows of Death Dealer.  But he made six different Death Dealers. ah This one has a snake on it. He's riding towards you.

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The deaf dealer you're very familiar with is him on the horse and a side profile And that's I only imagine what that's worth. I mean, that's his most famous painting All right. One last thing I'll say about this deaf dealer painting is that it is massive It says here in the description the large and impressive work was fashioned in oil on masonite signed and dated in the lower right the 18 by 30 image area an open front frame to 23 and a half by 35 and a half this thing would be

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I could definitely make room for this in my home.  I live in I've seen it hanging on a wall. It's really, it's large, yes. Awesome. All right, so that was my first one. I think I've got  another one that really piqued my interest. What type of comic podcast would I be if I didn't? I was gonna say, there's no way you're not bringing it up. At some point, you're gonna have to bring it This is like low hanging fruit. I've been waiting for this. Action Comics number one is in this auction lot.  It is a CGC.

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0.5, off-white pages is what they've got noted for this. I don't think I've ever seen, I think I've maybe seen one other 0.5, but nothing like an Action Comics in a 0.5 condition. And if you're curious, the current bid, even for a 0.5 graded Action Comics number one, is currently at $145,000 at the time of this recording. That's gonna go way higher.

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I know about four people that want it really bad because it's a starter copy  and it's going to be so out of range for most people after this  that  this is going to go a lot higher.  I'll be shocked if this stays under a quarter million.  I can't imagine. I know three people who are going to fight at it at quarter million. Wow. So  I  can't imagine this book stays,  you know, low, very long.  It's going to break all records for a point five.

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And just to appeal to the layman's out there, you said a starter copy. And I'm assuming that's like, look, this is beat up, but it's a holy grail. I'll start with this and then work my way to higher grades. Yeah. So the problem here with an Action 1 is that, you know,  think the rocket copy we had last was, what was that, a 6.0 and it sold for three and a half million or right around there.

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So your problem here is that we haven't had anything in seven years I've been here. We've only had five, five or above. So we've had a five, five and a six and had no nothing under that, uh, unrestored that is. So you have a starter copy that's in low grade. Uh, and so people can get together a couple of hundreds of thousands of dollars. But the question is how many hundreds of thousands of dollars. technically, technically the book should be a quarter million dollars. That's, that's about really where it should fall.

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But because you don't see anything below in the 4.0, 3.0, 2.0, 1.0 range, they're going to fight for this. And because they're going to fight for it, that's going to set a record, which is then going to take the 1.0 to 1.5, the 2.5s, and push them up to a really high level so they're not starter copy available anymore. You can't just pull a couple hundred thousand dollars together. You'd have to pull a million dollars together. And that's going to be...

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What the problem is after this book,  you know, what is a  1.0 really going to cost you? It's going to cost you way more than a point five. So  it's going to defeat itself. It's going to become so expensive of an item. People are going to get they're not going to able to get it. I won't be able to afford the tape that's holding the cover.

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Maybe we can get a group buy going on. I need some loyal, dedicated short box listeners to come in  on this .5 Action Comics number one. We could share it. Remember that episode of Simpsons where Bart Milhouse,  oh my god, I forgot the third one right now, but all shared, Radioactive Man number one, that could be us. Martin. Martin. That could be us, huh?

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ah I'll put in 10 cents. I'm going on vacation next week. So you've got my 10 cent donation there. Let me just have it on the days I record. All So just on Sundays, I get the book and then you get it every other day. I take that. I take that deal. That's a solid deal. All right. Obviously, I got to go in a spotlight, some Marvel on here because Brian,  I too am a self-described Marvel head as well, just like you.  And in this auction.

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uh is Avengers number four at one of the highest grades I've ever seen it a 9.8. It's got the word of white pages at the very top letting you know that it is in pristine condition for those that might be unfamiliar Avengers number one is it's the  reintroduction of Captain America into the Marvel  comic universe if I'm not mistaken. Is that right? The number four is yeah. Yep number four and right now it is at a current bid of 50,000. You got anything to say about this one  Brian? It's a beautiful book.

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I actually had this, you know, our social media guy came around and  he had me pull books,  a  couple of books from each age to the show off on, on, uh heritage comics on, Instagram. And this is one of the books I pulled because it's, it's just gorgeous. It's beautiful. Like you said, it's white, you know, white with white pages. It's a beautiful book. way you guys  have these items listed, like you could just tell a lot about it just from your, um, um,

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item descriptions. like, and we'll tell you what color the pages are so you know what time it is.  You know, let's just kind of stick to low hanging fruit. um Holy. Fruit. There is no low hanging fruit.  Well, I guess  just easy, know, a name trait, you know, traditional name brand Holy Grails when it comes to comics.  And we got a Batman number one CGC uh three point five, which is a very good.

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Off-white pages for those curious sitting at a current bid of 135,000. Got anything to say about this one, Brian? It's a first appearance of Joker and a first appearance of Catwoman. you know, everybody will argue that the third most important Golden Age book is Superman 1. I'll never you'll never hear me say that it'll always be a Batman 1. First appearance of Joker, the best bad guy that exists, the first appearance of Catwoman.

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And it's not a reprint story. Those are all original stories as opposed to Superman one, which is a reprint story.  So I've always liked this as the third best, you know, uh golden age comic book and third best comic book that exists. I'd want this over Superman one any day, although Superman one is by far, by far rare. I mean, on an order of three to five to one, you know, it's very rare. think I like Batman  one just from a cover and art perspective.

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Like it is such a beautiful cover. Like I love how Batman and Robin both pop from the cover because of the yellow and the red background. And very dangerous to fading too. So it can fade very easily. Reds and yellows fade very easily. So you don't want to keep it in the light. The more you know. And I mean that classic masthead too. The logo. Yeah. So good. Awesome. All right. OK. Let me let me do let me pick two more. Let me pick two more.

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You said two more two more ago. I I know I lied. the listeners know  I really get into like homework assignments like this. I'm always going to go way above and beyond. So we'll just go a little quicker so we could do the remaining a few that I got on here. So I'm going move away from  CBC graded comic books. I want to get into some of the original art that I found. For starters there is an original art by Kevin Eastman One Shot Raphael TMNT comic book from the  90s. You guys have page 21.

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which shows Casey Jones. And I think this might be the page where it's his first.  I know this comic. It's one of his first drawings. we go. Yeah. So it's currently sitting at a bid of $6,000. And  talk about like some owning a piece of history. You're right. Like not only just the Raphael one shot original comic art by the one of the  co-creators, Kevin Eastman, but also uh the first appearance of Casey Jones in the comic book form on the page. Yeah. I mean, if you like

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Turtles and you like the history of turtles then this is what you want I mean that's you couldn't ask for more and and he's he is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet in your life I  mean Kevin  really  I've talked to him on the phone a few times. I've met him. He punked me in New York.  He Completely  was messing with me uh In New York last year is the first time I had gotten to meet him  But the nicest guy you could possibly ever meet uh it in

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It's it's amazing. It's nice to meet people who know like their fans, you know  want to be around their fans Yeah,  and uh he's he's one of them. So it just  this is gonna be a big deal It's a big deal because it's a first appearance for sure for sure I see this one going up but how often do you guys?  I guess deal with uh the like comic book artists like buying stuff from them like how often you guys have a comic book artists  wanting to

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Yeah, so I'm, you know, the,  you know,  it depends on who has passed away. We had the Murphy Anderson, you know, um uh, collection, which was, and he kept  everything.  Um,  but  it really depends on,  on  what the artists themselves have held onto.  Um, Kevin, we've had a bunch of Kevin's stuff because he's given it to us and  you know, it's been from the personal collection of, of Kevin Eastman. So.

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I don't know what else he still has, but it keeps coming.  I mean, it would be nice to be an artist  and to me be able to, I wish I could draw more than just stick figures  because I could just print. I could just draw money every time I do something. You know what I mean?  I wish I had Kevin's talent. I just draw money.  Anytime he puts pen to paper, he makes money. uh

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He's brilliant. He's just like Tom McFarlane. It's like he can print money. literally has power to print money. literally has a printing press at his fingertips. Next up on my list is this John Byrne Wolverine illustration. Original art from 1979. It's also colored, looks beautiful. know, John Byrne drawing, excellent. Wolverine. Its current bid is that $550, which once again, for a 1979 drawing by John Byrne, you know, original art, it looks awesome. It is, what is it?

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It's basically, let's call it 10 by 8, the 10 by 8 piece of artwork.  I'm not a, personally, I'm not a fan  of convention sketches. uh I try and go for  published items, but  again, that's what people, a lot of people like, and if you're gonna do that, go for this one, because it's got the yellow costume.  They've already shown the yellow costume's gonna be in Deadpool.  It's gonna be, it's a big deal.

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I know, Brian. You said you weren't an investment consultant, but you've already kind of given us a lot of good gems so far. I just tell you if you like it, get it. I'm not saying that you should get it because of value, but get it while you can. All right. ah This is one of the last two items, and I promise what will be You said there were two items twice ago. Brian, but it's so... I told you, I spent hours going through this auction lot, and I was like, I don't think I'd...

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can do three. You I had the same problem you had. I had the same problem except for I was the boss in the situation. I was like, bother, pick three items. Boss, I can't do that. Here's 20. The one I'm currently showing is a Dave Gibbons Watchmen movie concept illustration that features the whole, basically the whole cast. You got Night Owl, Roshag, and Ozzy Mendez. Original artwork by Dave Gibbons for the movie concept, like some movie concept illustration.

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It looks fantastic. And once again, another like original piece of art that, you know, the bid is reasonable. It's currently at 625 bucks. now. For now it's reasonable. Yes. And again, who knows what it's going to be like in two weeks, but, you know, I couldn't afford a cover. I couldn't even think of affording a Watchmen cover. Those go for hundreds of thousands. When I first started getting into like collecting comic books, which was maybe, I don't know, 15 years ago, Watchmen?

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was just like, even then, Watchmen was like, in my eyes, in my group, circle of friends, Watchmen was like our holy grail. We were looking for any issues we could find. So to imagine that I could possibly bid on this and own a piece of Watchmen original art by Dave Gibbons is awesome. This particular piece though, like I said, is for the movie concept illustration. So it's from 2009, it's about 15 by 10, which is a good size. You could get a nice little frame for that, yeah.

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That's a nice piece. Yeah, it is. It looks awesome. Last but not least, and it kind of ties back to what you said about your own drawing skills,  Brian, and this might be the most,  you know, out of all the cool stuff I showed, this next one uh made me a little emotional, brought a little tear to my eye. You guys have a Stanley Spider-Man sketch.  Original art. It's not dated, but it's signed by heard he hated doing this because he thought he was terrible at it. In a weird way.

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It's got his like style like this. does. Yeah. You know, like how how casual it is, how kind of cool the hands on the hip, the one leg up. It's got it's just like got his style just embedded into it. Yeah. And it's currently at one hundred twenty five bucks. I say currently because I don't know. I feel like this, you know, it's it's a Stanley sketch. I don't know how often you see that. Not very often. We had a comic book come through which which had a.

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a Spider-Man face on it that he did.  And the client said, oh, it's going to be worth $10,000. And  I said, not a chance. And that's kind of where I learned I got to stop.  I got to worry about saying not a chance because then two weeks later it was at $10,000. You know,  I, don't know, you know, it's,  you know, no matter what I say about being an expert, I'm still, you know, there's still so much I need to learn.  You know, even I've been doing this now my whole life. Comic books has been my whole life.

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And I still don't know anything. You know,  that's the humbling part about the show, you know, or about working at Heritage is  I learn something new all the time. If you don't know anything about comics, I don't even want to think about where I'm at on that scale right there. If you weren't doing comic books, if you weren't a comic book and Simon director and having all this fun, you know, finding comics and helping sell them, what other category or fandom would you be this passionate about?

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historical. I love history.  when I see things, you know, like I got to auction off the first flag that landed on you, uh, D day,  uh, on Omaha beach.  I got to an auction off an enigma machine. got to auction off the flag that was sitting on the Nagamoto when I said tour tour tour to bomb Pearl Harbor. Those are the things I would love to see. I love history. Wow. Great answer. Great answer. That was a lot of fun.

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Thank you for putting up with my 20 item list. yeah, you guys have some awesome stuff. I'm really excited to see where some of these bids land. I'll definitely be tuning in live. And to anyone that is listening, like I said, I'm gonna have a link to the auction. You could take a look at all of the items and maybe make some bids. Let us know if you make a bid. Brian, I just wanna say thank you so much for your time and sharing all the things you've shared. some great stories.

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This is the part where you can shamelessly plug anything you want. If you've got anything else going on or if you want to share any words, anything else in terms of what makes this particular auction so special, I pass it over to you, Gitzer. I just appreciate having me on. It was very fun. I love doing things like this. If you need to see anything at the auction, can just go to HA.com. 7241 should be it.

01:00:47
I 7341, sorry. I'm still stuck on last year. That was last year, 7241s. But, you know, it's been a lot of fun. Like you said, you could lose yourself for hours just looking through stuff. That's very true. I do it all the time. Part of the job, but just part of it because I'm shameless and I love doing it. So I'm addicted to collecting like all you guys are.

01:01:16
That's what made you such a fantastic, a perfect choice to kick off this new season of the show. uh Like I said, it's been extremely, extremely insightful talking with you. And Brian, one thing real quick, I'm gonna help you out with the shameless plug, because I believe you mentioned there is a dedicated  Instagram page for Heritage Auction Comics. But I think you're also on Instagram too, sharing like comic book knowledge. yeah. So  you can get a...

01:01:42
get a hold of me  as Heritage Comics grader.  I started that kind of on my own.  I kind of got in trouble for it a little bit. uh But uh I did that because I just wanted to show stuff that was coming across my desk,  you uh know, here and there. So I show things that I've gotten uh in, items  that people might not get to see on a normal basis.  I'm like a museum.

01:02:09
just showing things off. None of it's mine really. Every once in a really long while I say, hey, look what I picked up. But truth of the matter is 99.9 % of its collections that have come in the door. I love the honesty and I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well so people can give you a follow. But Brian, this has been great. I can't wait to be watching the auction and share this with the rest of the world. You have a good night, my friend. Thank you. Well, there you have it, Short Box Nation. That's the end of this show.

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but trust me when I say I am a stupid excited  to have Daniel Warren Johnson on the podcast. We're to be talking about  his upcoming Transformers series that's coming out through Skybound and Image. There's no way if you are collecting or reading  comics currently or  if you're into, if you say you're into comic books, you definitely have seen  the news of Daniel Warren and the hype  behind this series. It's going to be epic and he's going to be on the show talking with us about that.

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So that's what we got in store for you next week. You'll want to, you know, just come back to the podcast feed. However you're listening to this, just come back to that next week  for that awesome episode. ah If you can't wait that long, we are going to be dropping some more bonus episodes  and we're going to do a another live stream  for Patreon. So this is a good time to join our Patreon for extra episodes, bonus episodes, and all these extra perks that our patrons get to enjoy.  That's patreon.com slash the short box.  Sign up for a month to see if it's a good fit for you.

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Regardless, we got some awesome stuff coming to you for this season.  Thank you guys so much for tuning in. And if you're still here, you're among my favorite, all If you're still listening,  consider yourself in my favorites.  In the meantime, take care of yourselves, go read your comic books,  and continue to make mine and yours short box. I'll talk to you next week.  Peace.