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Ladies and gentlemen.

Badr Milligan 0:07

Fantastic. The Short Box Podcast is recorded live from Jacksonville, Florida. Yo, the Short Box Nation. Yep. Short Box Nation. Hello again. Welcome back. Thanks for pressing play today. You know the deal by now. Welcome to the show. I'm your host, Badr Milligan, and this is the Short Box Podcast, the comic book talk show, where we bridge the gap between the panels of your favorite comics with the people who put their blood, sweat, and tears into making them. This is a short box classic, aka uh an oldie but a goody. You know the deal by now. I pulled an episode from the archives uh to share with uh everyone. Maybe you're new to the podcast and you haven't dug into the archives in the backlog, or maybe it's been a while since you heard this episode. I don't know, there's a lot of reasons why this one might be new to you. And there's a special reason for today's classic episode. I'm recording this intro on August 25th, which is an unofficial holiday slash official holiday in my eyes. It is the day that we celebrate the life of the late great Peyton Locke. And for those of you that that don't know Paten Locke, or maybe you're not familiar with the name at all, Paten Locke was a hip hop triple threat in every sense of the word. He was a rapper, a producer, and a DJ, and he did all three things at the highest level possible. He was also the biggest record collector I know. I mean, he had thousands of records and knew things about every single genre. He was also a massive comic book head. I mean, he loved Marvel Comics, he loved Luke Cage and Iron Fist and Black Panther. I mean, he knew his stuff. And he was so positive. He was extremely funny, uh, approachable, knowledgeable, could talk shit with the best of them, but was willing to give you the shirt off his back. He was such a positive guy. And I think that's why it was such a gut punch when we lost him in 2019. He passed away due to a really aggressive lung cancer. And in his final days, he was really positive about things. And, you know, he passed away surrounded by friends and family and people who loved him. And that's why on August 25th, you know, we celebrate his life and his legacy. It's also his birthday, the day he was born. And I felt it was appropriate to re-release this episode, the first time Paten was ever on the short box. This episode was originally recorded and released back in February 2016. It was episode 122, which might as well have been a different lifetime. I mean, 10 years ago, I was 27. I just turned 27. Might as well have been an alternate universe, as far as I'm concerned. When you think about where I was in life, uh Drew was in this episode. So when you consider what Drew was, where the podcast was, um, where the world was, hell. Aside from this being one of the very rare episodes where me and Drew co-hosted an interview and did a and had a guest on, I remember this being a lot of fun. We covered a lot of ground with Paten. We talked about his journey through hip-hop as an independent artist, growing uh he was born in Boston, but grew up in Jacksonville, made a name for himself here. We talked about the early Duval hip-hop scene, which he was a huge part of. We talked about his experiences uh performing and touring around the world, uh starting groups like Asimov and the Smile Rays, as well as the record label Full Plate, which carries his legacy to this day. Big shout outs to Dylan. And obviously, we talked a lot about comics. We talked about his love of Marvel comics, uh, Luke Cage, Pyron, Iron Fist. So this one uh really had it all. This was definitely an old school short box episode in the sense of it's a little all over the place, all right? You got a little bit of everything. So if you've never heard of Payton Lock, I hope this is a great introduction and to the man as well as his talent and his music. I highly recommend checking out his catalog of music. Especially if you're a hip hop head. And if you have heard of Payton Lock, I hope this brings back some good memories of the man, of his legacy, and what he put into the world. Uh rest in peace to Paten Locke, P Locke Forever. Big shout outs to the full plate fam. Big shout outs to the Little Plates fam as well. And speaking of, Andrew, uh, me and him are going to be recording uh another episode of our spin-off podcast SFP Save for Pod. This week we're talking about Marvel Tokon Fighting Souls. We both have been playing that game a lot as well as going up against each other. Um so we're gonna talk about that. We're going to talk about the the two episodes of Green Lantern or Lanterns that is dropped uh so far. And obviously, we're gonna talk about the comic books that we've been reading uh and whatever other topics that we've been saving for the pod. So if you want to hear any of that, if any of that piques your interest, check out the spinoff show SFP over on patreon.com slash the short box. And with that being said, there isn't much more to be said other than enjoy this uh throwback episode. As always, take care of yourselves and go read a good comic book, right? I'll catch y'all next week. Peace.

Paten Locke 5:06

Yeah, I'm I'm super easy going guys.

Badr Milligan 5:10

So one thing I'll say I noticed about you, uh Paten, is uh finding you don't have a Wikipedia page.

Paten Locke 5:18

How does how does that have somebody else puts that thing up, right? Like somebody else like has to decide.

Badr Milligan 5:22

I know that you actually you can do your own Wikipedia page. I would never, I I would never do my own Wikipedia. It'd feel weird, wouldn't it? Like writing about yourself, paying years active.

Paten Locke 5:31

You know what's funny though? Like uh some of my colleagues and and cast that I've even like sort of put on in the game have Wikipedia pages, but I don't I did notice that maybe like last year, a couple years ago. That could be the next next album. Where's my Wikipedia? You know what I mean?

Badr Milligan 5:46

That's a tracker there. Right, right, right. You're welcome. Um so I was trying to look uh as much bio as I could because I was gonna do some research, send it to Drew's way and all that. Right on. And I was like, man, this dude doesn't have a Wikipedia page.

Paten Locke 5:57

He is like underground to the extreme, or it's just like conscious choice. You know, it's like I said, um, I've definitely because I like I said, I know a lot of people do, and I kind of like, well, damn, they do. And but I and I realize other people sort of do, and I just um I attribute it to the fact that I'm not uh as social as any of my colleagues. Gotcha. I'm I'm uh so therefore people maybe don't even if anybody even thought of doing that, like any of my friends, they probably were like, I maybe I shouldn't, because maybe P wouldn't like it or something. I don't know, or maybe nobody gives a shit.

Badr Milligan 6:26

I will say this. You were on uh mtv.com underneath their bio segment. I was like, this is a good look.

Paten Locke 6:30

You can you can search my name on hottimes.com. I mean that works for me. Yeah, you know, the yeah, Wikipedia. I don't know. Um let's get it popping, y'all. I don't know, maybe, but I'll never do one myself. Like it just that would that seem to start a Kickstarter for your free week.

Drew Torres 6:45

Right, right. How many backers? Exactly.

Badr Milligan 6:48

Exactly. All right, look, so before we go we go too deep into this uh QA or whatnot, uh Peyton, we've got this thing on the uh the show, this um tradition that we do whenever we have first time uh listeners or first time guests. Yes, sir. Uh it can kind of seem uh I'm gonna ask you just to have an open mind. We're gonna ask you one pivotal question that'll set the course for the rest of this uh for the rest of this episode. Sounds good. You know, we got listeners and sometimes new listeners for the most part that are listening and they're wondering, they see the episode title, they're like, oh, they got a guest on. Who the hell is Peyton Locke? So we gotta ask you, who the hell are you and what are you doing on the short box? Sell me the pen, as the Wolf of Wall Street would say.

Drew Torres 7:25

Uh I'm Peyton Locke.

Paten Locke 7:27

I'm uh let's see. I don't like talking about myself too much, but I This is all going on your Wikipedia page. Yeah, exactly. Um I'm I'm I'm an extremely important person in my universe. I'm a producer, DJ MC, not necessarily always in that order. Um I uh am a founding member of a group called Asimov. I also name that group. Um I'm in a group called the Smile Rays with Bat Sauce and Lady Daisy, another group I started. Uh I'm a solo artist who travels the world and has done that since about 05. I don't know, was that 11 years or something like that? Like I I perform, uh I make my living performing uh outside of the States uh primarily. Um uh my touring partner is E Don. Um I put out my own music that I produce and uh and I rap and something like I said, a DJ. I'm a well-known DJ in Jacksonville, and and I um I don't know, I'm a pr I'm a I'm a pretty I don't know, I'm just in a movie, I was just in a movie called Adult Rappers. Uh I have This might be the most full answer we've ever gotten to the show. I have I have like 20 projects I'm about to drop with different uh people. I have a I put out a kid named Dylan for years now. I put on Bat and Daisy, uh put on Asimov. The original reason Sixhole Records got started in Jacksonville was assigned me. I'm a rapper, I'm an entertainer, I'm a personality, and I've been in Jacksonville for a while. I haven't done anything besides music since uh 2000. Don't worry about it. I'm going to get all of that transcribed for this Wikipedia paper. So here's the thing your your question was who is Peyton Locke? Peyton Locke is uh uh is an interesting dude. I like it.

Drew Torres 9:09

Was he a DC head or a Marvel head?

Paten Locke 9:11

Marvel.

Drew Torres 9:12

Oh right.

Paten Locke 9:13

You're in the you're in the house. Swift Marvel. Good. Yeah, Swift. Swift swiftly coming with the Marvel answer. I'm also I also uh started collecting comic books since we went there. I started uh collecting comics very seriously to the point I was selling them in like '86. I was turning over stuff I had bought a couple years earlier in '86, like uh first appearance of Wolverine and shit like that. I was selling in the city.

Badr Milligan 9:33

Holy crap. I didn't even, I didn't even I didn't know you were a comic collector. Because I'm on a Wikipedia. When I came Because when I came up to you, uh real quick to put everything in the city.

Drew Torres 9:44

You had a New York Comic Con, right? Every every year. You take your daughter, right?

Badr Milligan 9:47

Because I always take my daughter. Yeah, I follow on Instagram, so I always see your post. I always thought it was I always thought it was like, oh man, he's just being a good father, going to like these conventions.

Paten Locke 9:54

Well, that too Damn nerds. Come on, man. Well, here's the thing. I never I never went to Comic Cons for myself when I was more heavily into comics um or into that culture. Uh again, I I got a really early start. I'm I'm uh I'm a I was real heavy. Uh I'm a type of I'm also a collector. Let me also say this. I'm a huge collector. I'm a huge collector of vinyl records and and and just a lot of ephemera.

Badr Milligan 10:15

I I saw uh your your post, I think, from Friday or whatnot on your on your Instagram. You wrote that like your buddy came through and he saw your third room just for vinyls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, you're one of those dudes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Drew Torres 10:25

Like Quest, Quest, like Questlov and all that type type type vinyl collector.

Paten Locke 10:29

Yeah, uh, yeah, I'm familiar with Questloves, collect collectors.

Badr Milligan 10:32

I'm gonna be straight honest with you. I follow you on Instagram because you normally post like uh old old uh vinyls or records. And I'm like, let me go find this real quick on Spotify.

Paten Locke 10:40

Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good luck. Some of them, some of them are available to be found on found digitally. I just uh yeah, I'm I'm a I'm a collector. Um and but a huge vinyl collector. Like I I I uh I I sell and trade and mostly collect though, but I'm very, very heavy into it. Yeah.

Badr Milligan 10:58

So um we met you, me and Drew met you at uh at Burrow Bar late in January. It's for uh you were the DJ, uh you did the DJ set for Grammar Tree and Masoon.

Paten Locke 11:09

Yeah, what that was about was my friend Um Jason from Grammar Tree. Um he's a cat that uh he will tell you out of his mouth. I'm mentoring him a little bit in the uh hip hop. And uh he asked me to come out and rock. He's a friend of mine, so I was like, Yeah, I'll come out and rock. And he was like, literally, you can do, you know, he knows I rap, DJ, and produce. So he's like, I don't know what you want to do. I was like, well, sort of the easiest thing in the thing for me to do is just DJ, and because I can just kind of I can decide to rap if I want, I can kind of play my own music as well.

Badr Milligan 11:39

Because uh when I went and uh we we actually we walked in just in the in the middle of your set, and I thought you were actually like performing, but they were like, nah, he just he's just kind of DJing in between.

Paten Locke 11:48

I was like, damn, that's fucking awesome. Yeah, that's the thing. I asked him, I said, What do you want me to do? And he was like, Really? I just want your name on the flyer. So I was like, well, that's peace. I was like, well then I'll just bring my turntable and uh I'll play some new stuff off of I guess I have a bunch of projects.

Badr Milligan 12:03

That's that was the the the tipping point because I mean our our listeners know that Willie Evans has been on the show like three times. Wow. So uh anytime that we record, he's always like, yo, you gotta get paint lock on, you gotta paint painting. Oh, word up, we're up. And I'm always like, all right, well, if I if I run into him, if I run into him, and then finally I was like, oh, this is my chance to run into him. So we sat through your set, and then you started playing. What it would you you played us uh a couple of songs, you were like, yo, I was up at whatever, four o'clock in the morning just making beats, and I was like, Oh, I know what four o'clock in the morning beats sound like. My little brother does all the music for the show, and I'm like, there's a lot of like duds. Here we go. But then I was like, oh shit, this dude's got heat rocks playing, right? I think the 4 a.m.

Paten Locke 12:40

might be the magic outfit. So I make beats every day, all day. Like I said, I I make music for a living. Unlike anybody that I know here in Jacksonville a lot. This is like I've I make my living off of music, so I make beats every day, all day.

Drew Torres 12:54

Well, you do you try like um do you say I'm gonna make three beats a day, or is it just whatever?

Paten Locke 12:58

No, no, it's like a real organic thing for me. It's just like I wake up and like I'm just like I'll maybe I'll turn the beat machine on and I'll just listen to records and I'll just start making a beat, and then next thing you know, I'll some days I'll have I'll be like, let me let me just keep going at it. And it's never like let me make this many, but it's always it sometimes it'd be like let me be intense about it. So let me keep it going. Let me not just stop at two or three, let me just so sometimes it's like as many as like uh the Splissonian was like 17 or something like that in the course of like two nights or something.

Badr Milligan 13:26

That batch of beats that you played there, I I need that on CD like or Project Quick. There's some beats I was like, ooh, I need to mentally catalog this. Right?

Drew Torres 13:34

That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um to add to that question, because one of the things I've noticed, or because I've only been listening hip hop since I've met Butter, and he's actually kind of like put me onto the you know, Jay Dillas and the MF Dooms and Oh, well Butter, big up. And uh duty, right? Oh, but one of the things I've seen a lot of very important names. Oh yeah. Um with beats is like a lot of like soul and and and rock have is it easy, like is it hard to like get beats from like country music or like opera or like maybe I'm just not hearing it.

Paten Locke 14:03

Like is that like something that like you Well it's an aesthetic thing, like um uh here's the thing, like I don't I don't like opera. Okay. So um uh yeah, I think I think aesthetically I just I I I I dive into weird. Okay. First and foremost. So if it if if it's soul, I like if it's weird soul. If if if it's rock, I like if it's the weirder rock or whatever. Um or I just like if it's just weird stuff, electronic stuff, just sounds, whatever. Like video, like video games and all that stuff too? Uh yeah, um I will I'm such a record collector that I and I'm such a have a such such a way about the way I made beats for the I've made them the same way. I've approached beats the same way for 15 years, so nothing different about it for me. So it's really like um I'm looking for the weird, the ill sounds, which you just don't, you know, country's not really uh gonna give that to you. Yeah. Um but I as a person who likes to create my own things out of these records, I'm I'm up to the challenge of taking any sound and trying to make it something that I can uh make something that I like that has my own creation out of it. So I'm not opposed to, but I don't have a bunch of country records. Okay. I matter of fact, I have uh two bins sitting in my carport in my driveway that are anybody can come pick up if they want at any point um for free. It's two bins of country and assorted um what I like to call um terrible white people records. It's like old shit, you know, that's really like maybe 50s error. So I'm but I'm a big on the 60s and 70s and early 80s and 60s.

Drew Torres 15:34

And that's very important. Um because I've I've learned how to do uh actually I did a um my paper on hip hop and the birth of it and in New York and everything. Okay. So another question that I have is um do you guys know from the top of your head, and maybe this question can take a while to answer, like what is the most sampled song or artist? Like, is it like James Brown, probably James Brown?

Paten Locke 15:56

Okay, yeah, because because in the 80s, um when sampling was becoming a thing, uh uh James Brown was just was the sound of it was funk, you know, it was funky, it was literally like there was a lot of drum open drum breaks, and you could just rap over a James Brown song.

Badr Milligan 16:10

So wasn't uh wasn't his drummer? Uh he had a uh a drum break. Clyde stubble funky drummer. Thank you, that that's what it was. It was the most sampled uh break, and he never saw Dime, he just recently saw a dime for it.

Paten Locke 16:22

And that's and that's unfortunate because but that you know that has a lot to do with the way the music thing is industry has always been set up, or he was the he was a session drummer or a band drummer for James Brown. I mean, James Brown, I'm sure, did James Brown didn't even get paid off of that, and that was his track, technically, you know what I mean? Like Clyde was playing the break that everybody was sampling, but if you buy the 45, which is the original issue of the song, is James Brown Funky Drummer.

Drew Torres 16:45

Yeah, and so to add to what he's saying, I'm just saying, I'm sorry to like interrupt. But pine uh one of the things I've I've realized and understand pioneers never get paid for what they do. Never never because like I'm Leonardo da Vinci never got paid. Well you got the Picasso that never got paid, uh Jam Jack Kirby didn't get paid. Jack Kirby. You know what I'm saying? I love Jack Kirby. Yeah, so all these dudes that are like, you know, making stuff are not getting paid, it's people after them that have to like, you know.

Paten Locke 17:08

Well, it that has to do with more the way the capitalism and business and and commerce is set up. It's just like uh if you're first to come with something, it uh it the you have to have a very, very clear business mind. Listen, if you're an artist and you're if you're creating something as an artist, then you probably don't have the greatest business mind. And you're probably not at simultaneously thinking, how can I you also probably might, you know, most people don't know what's gonna, you know, I'm sure Jack Kirby wasn't sure, uh wasn't aware like that's amazing that Jack Kirby is unpaid, though. That's news to me. Like Jack Kirby's like like Marvel, Marvel should definitely cut Kirby the check all day. I mean, every I mean, not just Marvel, but hey, I grew up on Jack Kirby, and he's been he was my favorite artist growing up, even as a kid, and he was you know pre-my era, you know what I mean? But I would go back and search for all his older stuff.

Badr Milligan 17:56

So I I wanted to kind of go through as much as uh the the the bio kind of information I got from you, and you can just kind of fill in the gaps. Came up a little bit loving John Byrne, though, I think was that. Oh, John Byrne was the man. Yeah, absolutely.

Paten Locke 18:07

Remember John Romita Jr. Remember him? Yeah, yeah, he's the 80s X-Men and stuff like that.

Badr Milligan 18:11

Yeah, yeah. So you're Boston born, right? Yeah. And it says here that you moved to Jax in the late 1990s.

Paten Locke 18:17

Yep, after living in um uh doing a bid in Chicago for like six years.

Badr Milligan 18:22

Okay. All right, so why why the move to Jax particular? Honest reason? We got the Jax. Yeah, yeah.

Paten Locke 18:28

We always I had like some legal issues in Chicago. Deal. Just fucking up in life.

Badr Milligan 18:33

Okay, so you you uh so you your triple threat, production rhyming, and DJing. You went by therapy at first, right?

Paten Locke 18:39

Yeah, I moved here. I I moved here and I was like, um, I got my first turn turn turn uh 1200 turntables when I moved here because I kind of moved to Jax and was like, okay, you know, I'm gonna I was messing up in life and I was just kind of running around.

Badr Milligan 18:51

So fresh start. Jax was like your fresh start? Fresh start.

Paten Locke 18:53

And I was like, you know what? I've been hip hop forever, I'm actually gonna, and I was rhyming and stuff, and I wanted to DJs, but I came here and I was like, you know, I'm actually gonna go get turntables, and it was as simple as me. I went and got some turntables. Um'd you go get them? Was it like Radio Shack or is it like I got them, I got my first turntables uh 1200s from Ray Raylon Cunningham at Music and Memories Record Shop the day he opened up because that record store was actually offered. I almost bought the record store. I almost was Music and Memories. If anybody knows that um thing, it's a Jacksonville, it was a local uh record uh store here that it was very popular for all the DJs for years, but the day he opened up happened to be also the day that I walked in there and he had two twelves over there, and I was like, Yeah, I'll buy them.

Badr Milligan 19:36

Serendipitous man. There it is. Okay. So fast forward 2005, you you formed the group Asimov, which had uh Willie Evans and whatnot.

Paten Locke 19:44

How did that kind of get um Well since 90s was whenever I moved here in 97 or whatever, I was DJing at this place called the I was this DJ at this place called the Cave, which is like the seminal sort of like gathering spot for all the hip hoppers. It was downtown, and I DJed that from the day it opened to the day it closed, and then the next sort of day, oh uh the uh the place called the Voodoo Lounge opened up next to it, and I DJed that from start to finish. So that being said, I was known as uh the DJ, I was known as the hip hop DJ. I used to play all the underground, so I was the only guy who played any of that stuff here. And um uh I met Willie, I met Bass. No, let me let me back it up. I uh so Asimar was four guys. It was uh it was Basic, um Jay Wonder, and Willie Evers Jr. They we they uh they all would come to the cave where I spun at. We were all friends. Me and Basic in particular both collected records since we met in the 90s, and um we really hit it off. We our record collecting exploded when we met each other because we both kind of like, yeah, I'm in the records, I'm in the records, and I had like a couple crates, he had a couple crates, but then we just took off with that. So we became like record buddies and record collectors together, I guess, and we would uh also be DJs together and scratch and spend all day like learning new scratches and stuff. And um in that time, Bass and I were a group called the Little Green Apples. We were uh uh uh we were a collective of record collectors, me, Bass, and my other friend Slough, and we uh knew uh Bass was living with Willie, and I knew Willie too, and Willie was making beats. Um we were all rapping, everybody back then was rapping. But uh Willie was was uh ahead of the game with making beats. So I had a beat machine that a friend of mine had lent me in in the 90s, and he never came back to get it, so I just took it very took it like it was mine, and I just my friend Mike Niz. And uh and I just made beats and I would go get with Willie and I would play my beats for him and hear his beats, and we would just kind of connect on a beat level. Um the four of us were all good friends. Jay Wonder was always around too, and um there was a lot of other hip hoppers, but we all connected on the same aesthetic, I guess.

Badr Milligan 21:49

Okay.

Paten Locke 21:50

And um, we were all doing our own thing. Me and Bass were kind of doing a group, Willie was doing he had just be become Willie Evans Jr. instead of Ignatz or whatever he was going by at the time. And I remember when he called me. He was like, I'm going to be Willie Evans Jr. And I was like, he was like, from and I was like, oh, okay. I was like, still, it's a weird ass name. But um, this is when I was therapy too.

Drew Torres 22:11

Uh I was saying, what was what was I want to ask you, what was the name behind therapy?

Paten Locke 22:14

Was it just uh Well, see, it was my name's Peyton, and so Peyton Logan So I was like, um, as a DJ, I was like, well, I want to have something that has my initial in it, but I don't want to be like uh I don't know. DJ Grand Wizard uh Yeah, I just I was so I was trying to think of something cool, right? And I was like, well, I'm gonna be something maybe starts with a P. And I was like, oh, but then I was like, oh, therapy, like, and I could, you know, I'm like, it's the music is therapy, and I had this whole thing, and it was therapy, kind of.

Badr Milligan 22:40

Yeah.

Paten Locke 22:40

So I only changed it because people started calling me T.

Badr Milligan 22:44

And I was like, all that hard working into a damn thing.

Paten Locke 22:49

And also, sometime around then, Google came out, and then I'm I used to, I was, I've been doing a lot of hip hop things, and I've I would like to check my like I'd be somewhere else, and I'd be like, oh, I did this event here. Did it I want to Google myself when Google came around? And I would Google therapy or DJ even therapy, and yeah, bro, like every every therapist in North America would come up, you know. It's like all sorts of back massages, and and I was like, oh well, this isn't gonna work, but um, so uh yeah, that all made me change it to Peyton and just be like, fuck all that shit. But uh uh I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Drew Torres 23:23

When you said that you met the guys and you were into underground rap, I'm trying to go back. Yeah, what was considered the underground rap? Like what were some of the big um oh, I guess, hip hop acts that followed that?

Paten Locke 23:33

When I was first when I was playing at the cave, well, there was a whole it was really almost like labels and stuff. You had Stone's Throw was just starting. Stone's throw wasn't even really a label. I was playing like their first release. The um uh you had Raucus.

Badr Milligan 23:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paten Locke 23:44

Okay. Ruckus. There were so many um independent labels, especially out of the New York area, that were uh dropping stuff. Um, like I used to like uh what would I play? What would be like a classic back at the cave days? Outside of like just classic hip-hop. Um uh I would play like Necro, like his original releases or something like that, or early uh Company Flow, their first like first their first on their on their own company flow label, like uh on the official label. And um just really early stuff. I just uh Centibytes, fondulum. That was a big label of the time, early Doom.

Badr Milligan 24:17

Well I wanted to ask you about um the the the state of a Jax the like the Jax hip-hop scene at the time. Uh because uh you mentioned like the Voodoo Lounge and uh what was the club before that? Uh the cave. The cave. Like I know that was I mean, I was here in Jax, but I I wasn't going out while I was still like in fucking high school, whatnot. So I mean what was the scene like? Because it sounds like it was pretty much thriving.

Paten Locke 24:37

I mean, it was super that was the thing. It was so it was it was crazy because alright, I did this place that with the cave, and what we would do is we would play nothing but like like all sorts of hip hop you wouldn't hear like at the time, anywhere else, like Tribe Call Quest, and just like just that sort of stuff, and then just like underground, just really, really purist. It was a very purist vibe at this place called the cave. And there was a whole and the cats who would come out would mostly come out to to be boy, to break dance. Really, okay. And like this footage, and it would it it was in this the cave was in like this upstairs warehouse, and then we had built this booth with me and my friend Thorough, who's a guy in the picture you saw, um, DJ Thorough. We were TNT at the time, and we would play and we would play really purist hip-hop. We would play strictly underground, strictly uh sort of like um uh more forward-thinking hip-hop. We weren't we never played like radio stuff like that or anything like that. Okay, and uh cast would break dance, cast would be outside doing graffiti, and I remember in the 90s just being like, and having been hip-hop since the early 80s, uh, I remember just thinking like, wow, this is like a this is like a blast from the past. Like the even in like I remember specifically in '97, just looking around that spot and just being like, is this 1984? Like this is crazy. Because Cast was like really coming out in sweatsuits and really like breakdowns, and we're playing like two copies, and we're playing two copies of all these type of records that would have been played in the 70s in like park jams or something. We're playing like original funk breaks and double number more taking it. Me and my man are taking it very seriously, and they're taking the b-boy in serious. It was a very, very intense collection. Yeah, yeah. And and everybody who went to the cave to this day still either knows each other, and you know, and a lot of pretty much everybody I deal with from that era came from that, you know. And um Asimov certainly came out of that.

Badr Milligan 26:24

Okay, so uh we'll we'll talk about Asimov because you guys released uh one album and now on Six Whole Records, Six Whole Records, which was my friend Desi Relliford, he's a professional baseball player.

Paten Locke 26:37

I had known him when I moved here and before, and when he eventually got a uh uh a big contract for the uh uh the baseball MBL, I don't know, whatever. I don't I'm not a baseball fan. MLB. Yeah, MLB. I don't know, MLK, I don't know. But when Desi got his big contract, he had always wanted to put me out as a as a rapper. He didn't know Asimov, he didn't know the guys in it. Um, but he approached me and he was like, uh, so I got this money now, you know, I I want to put you out and whatever. And I had just started working with the guys as Asimov. I always did my own thing, but I had started working with these guys, and I felt really good about the four-man collective. Yeah. So I was like, I want you instead of putting me out, I'd like you to put out my group instead, which I think he no, I know he definitely he's gone on record to be like that. It was crazy to him because he didn't know them, he didn't necessarily believe in that. So he just took you straight up on your word. I had to convince him. I had to convince him, and it's a funny thing for me to reflect on because it's uh it's a big bygone uh idea to uh for the greater good to do that, but basically I split a check four ways where I didn't have to do that, um, fellas. Um that was um Asimov ended up coming out through Sixhole because Desi did believe in it and the and the sound was right, and that it and that was you know the four of us. And yeah, we put out a record and uh and now and then we um because you guys just celebrated what that is it the 20th anniversary or it'll be the 10th.

Badr Milligan 28:11

Thank you. All right, the 10th. Oh Jesus. Yeah. So that must be pretty surreal knowing that 10 years ago, like it's still getting talked about now. I know on the the date of my like my Facebook feed was like blowing up like 10 years, like 10 years.

Paten Locke 28:26

That was cool that day. That was uh you know, I have we I have mixed feelings about that, but yeah, and it was really it was really cool. It was my first um it was the first time I had a record out that was my record. I had produced some things that had been on vinyl. I my I grew up with a cat named Acrobatic, who's a very well known sort of underground MC, and uh Mr. Lyft, and so from Boston, and so I had some other production credits out on vinyl and stuff like that, and I was already touring before Asimov as their DJ. Okay. So um, and Axe DJ and Lyft's DJ for you. So um, but it was a huge deal, and it and those are my best friends, and it was great to be able to put that record out. And I wish we put out more records, but that's the legal stuff came into play, right? Like the name and all that? Yeah, we got yes, we got a cease and desist for using Asimov. Yep. What is the meaning behind that? I'm sorry. Like, what is Asimov's? I used to read as Isaac Asimov.

Drew Torres 29:17

I can say it now, but like uh Oh, it's that dude, it's the Willie Evans talking about it, right? Yes.

Paten Locke 29:22

Okay, there you go. Yeah, so so I there I remember the specific conversation between me and Willie. I had I had I had read Isaac Asimov's books, his foundation series and stuff like that. I used to actually be actively into it around the time that Asimov was starting, which is what I was reading. And uh I had said sort of cryptically in a rhyme that had nothing to that wasn't, it was just a I was just freestyling and I said uh my muse my mutant Molotov conventions is Isaac Asimov or something like that. And Willie heard it. It was like how I ended a verse, which is kind of a weird way to end a verse. And Willie was like, uh Willie was like, yo, that was kind of you know dope. He was like, that was ill. He was like, we should, and I remember he was just like, yo, we should be Asimov, like, and I'll because we were talking about it and he was familiar with Isaac Asimov too. And so I remember being like, yeah, let's do it. And we didn't really, it was just creating new worlds, is I think what we had behind it. But we also just I think that's what me and Willie link up. We like being like, oh, this is weird enough that doesn't seem like it should work, so let's make it work, you know what I mean? Like Asimov, like that doesn't shouldn't, doesn't even seem like it should exist in the world of hip hop, you know what I mean? But we were like, uh, nah, let's let's force it down people's throat. Then people butchered how they said it, and da da da da. And then we got the cease and desist, and we changed it to the A B's, which people, you know, we said publicly it meant the alias brothers, you know. I know that we have aliases and stuff like that, which is great, but um, actually A Bs actually stood for Azmall bitch, but uh people don't know that. So we got the short box exclusive.

Drew Torres 30:45

Yeah, that's an exclusive right for it.

Paten Locke 30:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Drew Torres 30:47

So Damn Willie? So this I'm sorry, the Asimov is the one that wrote iRobot?

Badr Milligan 30:51

Yeah. Oh, okay. All right, yeah. So I was gonna make it check. Yep. So um uh the legal troubles kind of I'm sure it kind of knocked the wind out of you guys, kind of slowed down the engine or whatnot.

Paten Locke 31:00

It knocked the wind out of me. It maybe knocked the wind out of somebody who's in the group. I don't know. Maybe our label. Yeah, I think our label was like, well, shit, we just put a lot of money into Asimov, you know. For me, what's in the name? I was all I've I I've had groups, I've had some of the weirdest group names. My own name is changed and we're like I didn't really care about that. I just want to make, I just wanted to make joints. I didn't think that we were defined by that. I felt like we were defined by our dopness, and I just uh product, right? Yeah, I wasn't worried about that at all. I was ready to keep pressing forward. If we had to change our name again, I wouldn't have cared.

Badr Milligan 31:33

Um be that simple, you know. If it only if it was like, hey, my bad. We just want to continue to make dope music. But then, you know, I can imagine the legal trouble like going on.

Paten Locke 31:41

Well, this is the thing. They only sent a cease and assist. It was one simple it was it was a letter. They just sent a threatening letter and they basically threatened. But then you got you know, your your your suits or whatnot at the label, and I'm sure they blew it out of proportion, like, damn it, all that money that we spent on for what they were basically like, yeah, this is the it it scared them and they didn't feel awesome about I don't think moving forward. But we we weren't also relegated to that. I think it didn't it here's the thing that's not what killed our group or m stopped Asimov from making another record. What stopped us from making another record was not making another record.

Badr Milligan 32:13

Okay. Yeah, just not getting together and making another record, and there's a lot of theories behind that that I have, but so I mean you may have uh stepped out of Asimov, but you decided to start another group, right? Uh right after that.

Paten Locke 32:27

In in the wake of Asimov not making another record, I started a group to convince them that to show them listen up, fellas. I started uh the a group called the Smile Rays. Okay, and I started that group to show my other group that I was not going to stop. And if they didn't want to hurry the fuck up and make this no new record, then it wasn't gonna stop me from making a record. And so it was almost that was my threatening letter to Asimov at the time, just basically at least looks look like I don't know what y'all thinking, but I'm gonna keep going. This is meta as well. Yeah, I want I wanted them to listen to my new group and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, we should we need to be working on our Asimov record. And then I'd have been like, exactly. I feel like this is the sequel to straight out of comment.

Badr Milligan 33:07

I feel like this was like uh giving you the business.

Drew Torres 33:11

This is a pretty This Wikipedia page is gonna be dope.

Badr Milligan 33:15

This is a unique relationship, playing hard to get with your other group. Oh, yeah. Like this this is like when when you look up with that hotter shit, like the 10 and your old nine is like, wait a minute.

Drew Torres 33:25

But the review shows like how like artistic, like it's just one of the things where like you just you're passionate about it. I didn't have any other way.

Paten Locke 33:31

Yeah, and I well, I was passionate about it, and they knew that I would do it just like I knew you know Willie would do it at the same time. We're lifers, but at the same time, in specifically, I wanted to show them that uh, because I didn't understand why we were kind of not doing it. And I and I was like, well, I'm a little bit of a passive aggressive person, so I wasn't like the type of person to be like, hey guys, let's do it, let's do it. I may have done that once or twice, but after that, I was like, all right, let me do this, and I'm gonna get this group smile raise, we're gonna get a deal in Japan, we're gonna get another deal in Germany for a separate record, and we're gonna go tour Europe, which Asimov had never done. And that was the whole thing was to be like, come on, fellas.

Badr Milligan 34:07

So who's in Smile and Raise? What's the deal with that?

Paten Locke 34:09

Uh the Smile Raise was um also a group that I named, and I remember and it's with two white people, they're a uh married couple. I don't know why I'm making their race a big deal, but hey. Um but uh it was uh my my my brother and sister Bat and uh Bat Sauce and Lady Daisy, and they were at the time they were Heavenly Noise, they were Jacksonville singers, he was a producer, and she would sing, and she also played the acoustic guitar. And uh what was the sound for this group, The Smile and Rays? Uh Smile Rays. Okay, Smile Raise. Not smiling, yeah. Um, it's all good. Um the sound was to be positive. Okay. I was going through some other personal things in my life that were not so great. And uh um at the time I had a stay-at-home dad and my wife, I had been I was married, I was married since it's nothing. I had a kid and was married all through Asmov and all that. Um and then she left. And then uh I was not feeling great, and so and my Asmov group wasn't around, and I was touring with Akin Lif, and it was just like work, music work, and so I was like, I need something to rescue my life here, and so I basically found the two most positive people that I knew, which is Batsauce and Lady Daisy. If you know them, you know them. They're like a they are rays of sunshine, they really are. And uh, so I just attached myself to them as like a third wheel and and you know let them know they knew my situation or whatnot. Well, they knew they knew my situation, and they also knew my habit and my sort of drive to not just make music but to release it globally. Like they knew that that's what how I've been doing things, and that's got sort of I presented them with that sort of like listen.

Drew Torres 35:45

What years is I'm sorry that you're doing oh six, seven? Okay, so the internet's already in full blown, everybody's using it.

Paten Locke 35:52

Okay, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was basically came to them like, let's start a group. You know, we're working, you know, I love y'all, we're we're getting along and we're having a great time. It's very organic. Let's just make music, this is what we do, and um convinced them to become a performing group with me. And um we like I said, we uh uh were approached by a label in Japan, we put out a record with them, we were approached by a label in Germany, put out a record with them. We then went uh went touring. I would just like I did with Asimov, I piggybacked Asimov onto the perceptionist touring that I was doing when I was teaching for Akin Lyft, and um when I got the smile race together, I then uh piggybacked them onto the perceptionist touring I was doing as the opening act and our European touring. So I would be so you look at the Asimov touring and you look at the smile race touring, any any of those tours, I would perform with my opening group when it was rapping, and then afterward, and like afterwards, I would then immediately DJ for the headlining group that I was DJing for.

Badr Milligan 36:48

That's cool. I I I I like this that I mean you move to Jax because you wanted a fresh start. Yeah, you're going through immediate yeah, you know, your your relationship troubles would be dead in in Chicago for sure. And and uh in instead of sulking here in Jax, you decide I need to get the hell out once again, so let me go travel the world. I think that's fine. That's a good way of uh getting over shit, you know.

Drew Torres 37:06

Now now, okay, with the way because you said you're releasing music to the world, is that one of the things where it's like um and I'm sorry, like I I'm not this is my entry to hip hop, like anything that comes out. So like is it is it more like a Facebook thing? Is it like MySpace, social media?

Paten Locke 37:20

Like, do you release like to two dope boys or like like what is it that what at the time okay the difference is that is that uh in order the difference between local and you know global or national even um is the venue you released your music. At the time, this is pre-bandcamp or every whatever, whatever. This is this is pre-sort of Asimov and Smile Ray's is before is before they were like venues to sell your music, you know, online like that. So it was like uh and no, it was I my thing was no, I'm gonna get us signed deals and smile raise I also got us a third deal. Uh well, I wouldn't say I, but we also got ourselves a third deal with uh raucas as well on the rauck is 50. So it was putting your putting our lining our music with international or national outlets um and rather than putting it out by ourselves or rather than just putting it out online or something. That was never I've never been down with that. I've always wanted to do it on a bigger level, and I've never wanted to just be like, well, here's my record, and you know, everybody does that. Now it's a very, very common thing. You could just make a record, just put it out, whoop-dee-woop, on your band camp or whatever. But no, this is before that, and I actually, like I said, we put out it was I I I wanted to put things out with with record labels that had budgets to promote and market, get us on tour, um, you know, all these sort of things. Yeah, they had the design and yeah, and and and also press it up on vinyl, press it up in in mass quantities, get it distributed through a real distributor. Okay, these sort of things. So um, yeah, and uh that's just I just don't release music in in any other way unless I'm just doing little things for myself as well.

Drew Torres 38:55

How was it exciting, like just like oh shit, I gotta get a passport, I gotta do all this stuff just to go to you went to Japan, right?

Paten Locke 39:00

Uh no, we didn't even go to you know it's funny, they label with Japan, like it's one of the places I haven't I've I've yet to tour. And I've like I said, I've toured very heavily. But I mean your Europe is kind of your your bread and butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the time, uh everything centered around Berlin. Um, like our operating spot in Berlin.

Drew Torres 39:18

We uh that's such a movement too. Like, I mean, Berlin with everything that they went through in the past, like it's just one of those.

Paten Locke 39:24

Right. So the Smile Rays ended up moving, and they live in Berlin now. Like they're based out of Berlin. Like the other two, Bat Bass and Lady Daisy, that was because I had previously gone to Berlin with my the group I was touring with, Perceptionists. Okay. And I would go, we would base out of there. We would go around all in Europe, but we would sort of fly to Berlin first, and that was where our booking agent was, our European booking agent, um, Karen from Super Taj. And uh uh Yeah, I just um we just like I said, we just had had uh from an early as soon as I put out my first record, I was just like um from Asimov, I was like, nope, this is how I'm gonna do it. Not like on a not uh on a s any smaller level or whatever. So when I was doing the smile race record, I had more of a handle on it, and then okay, so then we would talk to the guy from Japan would come over and he would meet us here, actually. Um the uh guy from Germany was a guy who contacted us that we ended up me getting together when we went over to Europe to tour. Um and the raucas thing, which is a very known label, they were trying to reinvent the raucous label at the time, I believe, and they had got at us, but um, you know, yeah, I don't know. But like I said, I had I had been traveling already, like with for instance, before I even did any traveling with any of my own groups, I had already done Coachella, I had already done Bonnaroo, I had already done Iceland Airwaves, I had already done Rosh Gilda with Black Sabbath and Snoop for the game. I mean, I had toured I did there was all the major festivals with this other group that I was touring with. So I had a really and I had done like you know, like three-month tours, like off out the gate. Like, so I was very seasoned at it.

Badr Milligan 41:02

So let me ask you this uh as far as your travels, what what were some of your like standout places that when you think back to like nothing but good memories? Like it's as far as like location-wise, you have like location-wise. I mean, all over Europe. I mean I mean, I love this hip-hop appreciation there.

Paten Locke 41:15

I love I love Switzerland. I love uh Switzerland is beautiful. Um I loved going back there as much as possible. I recorded my own solo album in Berlin, so I have an affinity to Berlin. Okay. Um, you know, I like everywhere really. You know, uh Iceland was was was cool, Estonia, Saudi Arabia, I don't know, whatever. So you're recording Saudi Arabia? I've I've uh in the last few years, uh the U with the US Embassy. I went over and uh toured Saudi and Bahrain twice. Damn. I need a Wikipedia page, probably. Yeah, yeah.

Badr Milligan 41:51

I don't know, whatever. Holy shit. So it you came up with a goal, I'm gonna go global with this, and then you made it happen. And I I think that's important to highlight because I think it's so easy to get local fame, which you guys had. I mean, Jack.

Paten Locke 42:06

I never cared about that. I'm not from here, and that was why I always was like, to me, it was more like uh I'm gonna do this anyway, and I I was here and I wanted to get busy. To me, it's like hip hop. I just wanted to get busy, show my skills, build my skills, get better every day, sh then show people I was getting better. And that was just always a thing, and I think that's the hip-hop thing. But I again, um, ever since um you know early 2000s, I had a strong belief in myself and what I had to offer and what other the people I was involved with, what they had to offer. So I just never and I always felt like from day one, I I I've never felt, and this is no disrespect, but I've never felt any competition here or sort of like any reason I should want to be king of any. That is the most hip-hop thing I've ever heard anyone say. Never felt like that. I never felt like I never felt like I wanted to proclaim myself the king of Jacksonville because I if because if you because I know I am, you know, I mean, in in terms of skills, hip-hop, in terms of getting busy, is terms of the resume, the shows behind it. I I know that. And if it's not me, it's my best friend Willie, so I what do I care?

Badr Milligan 43:09

The level of braggadociousness is so good right now. I love it. I love it. That's hip-hop as hell. I mean, I the force is strong enough. You gotta believe in yourself and goddamn it people.

Paten Locke 43:20

I mean, it's like I said, it like I said, I believe in I believe in um You gotta believe in yourself. No, well, and and and and you know, resume. I just you know, my resume stood for it even then. Like my resume, and like here's the thing. If I did care, I got like best, I have like little crummy best of jacks rapper, yeah, yeah, O3 and all these things. Like, I got all that. I got I got boxes of accolades, like whatever of local accolades. Um, I think I was the first hip hopper dude ever to have like a full write-up in the folio here, like with like a picture and a whole page. Like it was like in the 90s before like people would, you know. I I ain't look at like that. That listen, I'm not from here. I'm from originally in Boston, and I was in Chicago for a while. You know, I just never was like, I never. Thought that being in the King of Jacksonville then or now was gonna pay you anything. So I never cared to, you know, I was like, that's that's a given, you know, kind of. And like I said, I'm also associated with like I never felt like I needed to say that. I'm fine with saying Willie's that, you know, even in my resume, maybe stronger. Oh, with it, you know. That's how strong the level of Bragg. But you know, but like I said, it's it's only him that I ever saw anyway, on terms of that, or or other casts in Asimov, basic and Jay Wonder, like I, or or Bat and Daisy, like who whoever was in my groups was the Kings. So I didn't really or the Kings and Queens, I didn't really uh I knew we was doing it. I was always involved in the best. Like I it didn't even have to be me. It was just the fact that, you know, I could just be like, okay, I'm in Asimov, and that's enough. Like you know, uh crushing y'all.

Badr Milligan 44:45

Some people would would would hear this or hear that and they'd be like, man, dude's so cocky or whatnot. But I mean, uh, if you look at if you look at all the greats, that's the attitude they had. You have to have it.

Paten Locke 44:56

You know, it's not even an attitude. I promise you, I feel like I'm kicking facts. I just feel like I'm just I'm actually trying to be humble about it, actually. I feel like if I was to be reagadocious, it would be it might be intolerable, but no, just like uh we just go back on it. I mean, okay. Nobody's done what Asimov did, nobody did, nobody's done what Smile Race did, and nobody's done what I've done. Not here. Not one person.

Badr Milligan 45:17

Sorry, you you you get in any genre. You see fame with Asimov, you see fame with uh Smile Rays. Uh we're gonna fast forward about 200 uh eight, 2009-ish. You start your own solo career. Yeah. You get signed to Trez Records. One check. Give me all that check. No splitting with none of you fools. So you come out with your debut uh album, Super Ramen Rocket Ships. Yes. Which I'm gonna I'm gonna give you props. Thank you. Oh, yeah. It just the the vibe, like your flow is really it's like it's bouncy, it's like all over the place. And uh some of your your vocabulary, like it's it just stands out. And the beats, I was like, damn, it's like so much energy in this one song. Like off the bat, uh the first track on the Super Ramen Rocket ship, Soup for One. Yeah, you know, I press play, and uh when it comes to first tracks, I'm always like that's always gonna be the most important song on the album. He's really critical. Man, I was like, God damn! I was like, all right, let me brace myself for that. Like true tracks for Soup for One. I I enjoyed Till Dawn a lot. Uh the the title track, Super Roman Rocket Shit was dope. Oh, thank you. And uh and your song tributed to your daughter after you, yeah. I was like, how could anything be more beautiful? I was like, I need to go and use that line on my lady when I did it.

Paten Locke 46:50

Say it, let me know how the works out.

Badr Milligan 46:52

So, all right, talk to us about the the debut album. Super Rom and Rocket Ship. First of all, the weird ass title. You made it work somehow.

Paten Locke 46:59

It was gonna be called like a bunch of different things. I remember sitting in Berlin. Okay, so here's what happened. So I got I'm doing running around with Asimov, I'm touring around, I'm with the perceptionists, I'm literally touring to make my money, and I'm just doing all these festivals and shows and stuff. And I would meet different people, and I met this label called Tress out of California, and they had put out records that I liked, that were a legit label, and I was like, okay, and they were like, um, we were just cool, cool, cool people. And then um, excuse me. And then uh basically Tress was like um we want you to put out uh a record, like your own record. They're like, you produce, you DJ, you rap, you do your thing. Um three when you're done, yeah. Yeah, they're like you can do, you know, why don't you they were like, Did you ever think about doing your own record, not just like a like a group record? So they guess they had known me for putting out groups before, and I was like, nah, I hadn't thought about it, and they were like, Well, if you want to do it, we'll put it out. And I was like, Well, that's all I need to hear. And I was like, all right, cool. So I um bought myself a ticket to Berlin to go stay with my friends from the Smile Race who had recently decided to move there, and I stayed with them for three months and uh made the record that uh that that uh sounds like a police chase in Europe, apparently. No, uh yeah, so I made the uh the Super Rama Rocket ship LP.

Drew Torres 48:13

Now, was this um when you made the Super Ramen Rocket LP, was this all new beats that you just did while you were in Berlin and like looking for sound, or was it like you had beats Did you make beats all the time? Yeah, I like that's a dope question.

Paten Locke 48:24

No, I made them right before I left. Like literally, like it was like I made like a hundred beats. I knew I was going and I knew I had to make this record, and I knew I was gonna bring my beat machine and do some there. But I was like, let me go ahead and make as many as I can. Because here's the thing I I my studio is records, like it's like I have a billion records, so I was just like, I can't bring my records to Berlin. I can bring my beat machine, but I can't bring all my hot source material or whatever. So I try to knock out as many beats as I could before I left. Like in the in the months leaving, leading up to me leaving. And then I just had like a I had like a big, big chunk of beats. And the first thing I did when I landed in Berlin and got to my friend Bat's house is I basically started playing him all these beats for him to tell me what he thought were the best ones I should try to go for or what have you. Um But yeah, three months in Berlin making that record. And the one thing I want to say about that is I is my friend Bat and Daisy, they stayed on like the like the equivalent of like the 16th floor, because it was like eight double steps, okay? No elevator or anything like that. Very big, long, like treacherous. I got I was in the best shape of my life when I left because just going up and down these steps every day. But also I stayed in like people don't know this, but like um it's not all sweet. Like, I had like so they had a very small apartment in Berlin, and they were willing, you know. Bat at this time was I just had a good uh recording relationship with him, so I knew he would be able to help me record the album swiftly. And I didn't want to do it in Jackson because I wanted to get out of my element, and I just I needed to be somewhere else to finish this record.

Drew Torres 49:52

And um but they had different experiences, right?

Paten Locke 49:54

Jackson was comfortable, you know people, and I just also knew that I also had a deadline, and that was more of the problem. I just knew if I was in Jacksonville, I left to my own devices, I might not make the deadline. I just my bullshit, you know what I mean? I I can I have a tendency to do that. So I was like, let me just go buy this ticket, go over there. And I got over there and I stayed for three months in their apartment, and I stayed in the equivalent of a renovated broom closet. Now, when I say a broom closet, I'm talking about it was less wide than this table. So like Harry Potter style. It was only as wide as a single as a European single bed, so which is about like that. All right, and it was that wide, and it was only about as long as your body laying down. Okay, so I would that's where I slept every night for three months. Now I'm not I'm not a bum person. Like I have I'm a creature of comfort, like I like things. So that was a big deal for me to go sleep in a closet for three months just to make an album. And uh these days I'm proud of myself for being having to having that in my history. Um, then I actually did that three months every day. And I and I also didn't have much money because I spent money to get over there and I need money just to survive. So I actually like rationed out like my meal situation every day was like one duner kebab. Oh my god, I love dooner kebab. Yeah, one during the day. I would walk all the way down the stairs, whatever, go get and get those, whatever. Uh cigarette. I always had weed though. I was like made like we could burn a lint. I had to, I had to like that. The major money was budgeted toward making sure I had you could trip and fall and then get the biggest. I was like, I right. Well, the thing is, I needed to make sure I had that. I felt like I could always bum a food off somebody or whatever, but I was like, I gotta have my trip.

Badr Milligan 51:27

This is a hella way to cut your teeth.

Paten Locke 51:29

Yeah, exactly. So I get over there and uh and I'm and uh every day I would get the one Dunan kebab during the day, and then at night I would get two bags of this, like uh it's it's Europe, it's like uh it's like an Asian ramen, but it's still packaged ramen, but it's better than like top ramen over here or whatever. It's like way better, but it's like way better, but nonetheless, still fucking ramen, and I would just two bags of that every night. So halfway through me being there, the album was gonna be called a bunch of different things. At one point it was gonna be called Super One, and then one point it was gonna be called like the best album ever made in rap's history, or something. It had some long-winded title about how great it was gonna be, and I thought that would be funny. You make it difficult for people who are like at Best Buy, like what album are you looking for? No, I wanted it to be like no, I wanted them to be like, oh, I'm looking for the best album of all time, or something like that. I think that's what it was called like the best album of all time. No. So uh, so then I guess uh through I remember halfway through, I just looked at Bat and I said, I think I'm called, I remember just sitting there and I was like, I'm gonna call it Super Ramen Rocket Ship. And I was just eating ramen every day to survive, and uh, and uh and I felt like uh it I was super and what I was achieving off of ramen and the rocket ship was just some more like take me away, shit. I don't know. But um surprise and Baker actually, he's eating so much ramen. He saw me, my brother Bat Sauce. Boy, he he powered through that record with me. So yeah, so that um and I just yeah, I just did all the beats, and I I knew a lot of cats I could have had on the record. Willie, Don, Lyf, all type of people I could have had on the record, my groups. But I really wanted it, being that I had put out myself as a producer, I put out myself as a member of a group, a ramen and founding member of a group, and I put myself out as a sort of like a directing member and the leading MC of the Smile Rays. I wanted to now just do something completely by myself, like not in what not one other person really on it. Like, so the um Daisy may do like a little bit of background like on a couple tracks, like really in the background, but other than that, everything was everything was me and me just creating it with with the help of Bat Sauce Um recording me and and Daisy allowing me to be in their home for three months, and I'm an annoying person. They already like so for them to let me even be with them for three months, like I'm not like the coolest person.

Badr Milligan 53:47

Like, so I'm imagine if you were the cool person, they let you into the secret like regular room. Yeah, right.

Paten Locke 53:54

Sleep on a real bed. You know what I mean? Like, you know, no, not so much. No, but he renovated that broom closet. He did. Like, no, no, no. Before I got there, like he showed me, he was like, he showed me like a broom closet. I was like, what the fuck is that? And he was like, no, no, no. He's like, no, no, no, I'm gonna put a bed in there. And I was like, uh, how you gonna get a bed in there? Dude, it's like it's like being in New York. And it was like just a bed. It was like you opened the it's like a bed. So um, but yeah, that was a really cool experience. I finished that record up the day I day before I left Berlin. Damn, down to the wire. Oh, super down to the wire. Like, I have a funny story where Bat, like, like I think he was over like work, like over it, like kind of like towards the end, because I'm a very intense person, and I had made three months of his life now about my record getting done in his house in Berlin. Like, I just think at the end he was just like, All right, I love you, but yeah, get out, you know? And I remember the the final evening I needed like some final mixing, like I need this tweaked or whatever before I leave and tweak this and that. And he was like, All right, we're gonna go out to eat. And then I like literally I was leaving the next morning. He's like, Alright, I got your last list of things to do. Let's just go out to eat something. And then we went to eat me, we went to eat pizza, and for the first time in his life, he ordered anchovies on pizza in Berlin. And I remember he got sick immediately, and then he's like, I can't. He was like sick, like sweating, like laying down, and I was like, So you you can't finish tweaking my shit, you know what I mean? Because you're sick now. And I remember being mad that I felt like he like sabotaged me and like a and like he ate anchovies on purpose that night. I'm like, dude, you put why would you eat anchovies on the night that I'm leaving? Anyway, I love you, Bat. Thank you for everything you did. And Days, you know, I love you too.

Badr Milligan 55:27

Um that story makes the album a lot better. Like now I get to listen back to it and and think about all of those.

Paten Locke 55:33

Yeah, it was uh so it was just me being over there doing that. And that's why also because I made it with my smile race partner, the album came out more positively than um any of my other future solo stuff will, because when I'm around them, I have a more positive nature. When I'm the music, the hip hop I make by myself for myself um on my own terms is much more aggressive.

Badr Milligan 55:53

Now, do you have any particular uh process when you're when you're creating yourself? Like uh what are some of your influences?

Drew Torres 56:00

Broom closets and fucking ramen. Walking downstairs. My only thing is records and weed that get it. Okay, so my question to you is why hip hop? Like, what does hip hop mean to you? Like, does it speak to you on like what like why?

Badr Milligan 56:16

What was the what was the record that made you think I'm gonna do this? I wanna do this.

Paten Locke 56:20

I don't know what it was that made me think I'm gonna do it, but I know that nucleus, listen, I'm a I'm I've been I've been I remember very like early 80s, I was already like I remember like like writing like uh kicking it raw in '84, like on the back of the bus, like, and kicking all the fat boys around so my homeboys, like in the early 80s. Yeah. I used to I I remember my parents buying me breakdancing things, like a break dance mad boom box, me going to get Adidas hats with my friends, making rap tapes in you know, pre-85.

Badr Milligan 56:52

So you're living it.

Paten Locke 56:53

Pre-85, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean as a kid, like probably like 80, I had like a transistor trying to catch at New York Radio and stuff under my my pillow. So I've been hip hop since I was, I just always felt it. Like I it was just a part of it's it was the culture that I grew up in. Like it was what captured me as a kid. I mean, hearing Run DMC's first tape, hearing Nucleus, which people don't even remember them, but hearing Nucleus first tape was like what set me off. And never since then I just had it. I went through this whole phase though in the 80s where I went heavy metal due to like some friends of mine. Like I was just heavy metal and punk and listening to Mine of Thread and Agnostic Front. I used to go to like Sick of It All shows, and I was a skater. I used to want to get I used to want to be sponsored skater in like 86. So I was like, I was like a young kid, like even as a young kid, I used to ride the train. Like I was riding the train at like nine, like, and like all day, like I was just like a city rat, like as a kid. Like um, so but sometime like around maybe 89, I got I like I I uh like Jungle Brothers and other like Beastie Boys, Big Daddy Kane, these sort of things. They just all sort of pushed me right way back into hip hop, and I think it was just De La Soul, their first I think it was the um Public Enemy, it was like the um uh Boogie Down productions, it was like the the beats, it was like the um the aesthetic of the sound that was happening then it was it had changed, it was now the sample thing, and it was really like Beastie Boys Paul's boutique was is really influential to me. It's like and say something three feet high on rising by De La Soul. They were just very um they were so eclectic. And being that I had now embraced all sorts of other music, you know, classic rock, and I was familiar, and I was like Black Sabbath was my favorite band, Led Zeppelin at the time. So yeah, hip-hop found a way to then draw me back in like 100%, like because hip hop basically started embracing all these other sounds too, and it was just like, oh, this very eclectic, weird, so it just it just seemed like a whole big universe you can mess around with. So and then once I realized my dad, my dad was a record collector in the 70s, and I didn't know that until like the early 90s, and so I looked at his collection after I kind of was like, Let's hip hop, and looked at his collection, thinking how hip hop, oh shit, like he's got oh wow, he's got like all these funk records, like what you know. So I would take my dad's records to this day. He's he considers it thievery. He's like, give me my records back. But um, yeah, so I don't know, like uh hip hop is just like hip-hop just always spoke to me. It's sort of to me, it it it includes a lot of the other cultures and genres that I'm into.

Drew Torres 59:14

Yeah, because I talked to I talked to Butter about this, and one of the things like me and him have always gone back and forth is like when I read comic books, I love the story, not so much the art, the story speaks to me. Interesting, and then the same thing with with hip-hop, I don't listen to beats. I mean, I listen to beats, beats are dope, but to me it's the story. It's the story that speaks. It's the story that's like one one of the things that me and Butter, like when we were first talking about, he's like, Hey, do you listen to this? You listen to that. I was like, No, I listen to this, this, this, and he's like, listen, you're listening to radio rap. That's the that's the wrong type of rap you're listening to. Because I mean it wasn't exposed. Yeah. So I remember that the three albums he gave me was um A Kid Cutting Mixtape. Okay, uh Jay-Z the Black Album, and um Reasonable Doubt. Interesting. And he's just like, listen to these. Interesting. And he's like, you know, the beats are dope and so we but listen to the story, and I was like, Fuck.

Paten Locke 1:00:00

Yeah, the story, yeah, I get well, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are uh well, reasonable doubts, probably if you listen to it from that angle. So I've always listened to holistically, like I always tell people that, like, with hip hop to me, everything has to gel and mesh, kind of like for me to. I don't, I don't, but I definitely there's only a few MCs that I like regardless of the beat. MF Doom, Sean Price was one, rest in peace. Um like I didn't like two cats, like a couple cats that I would just like, I don't really care who did what, I'll just download their song because I want to hear what they're gonna say. You know, yeah.

Drew Torres 1:00:30

It's funny because I mean the I I look at DJs because our buddy Parrish, he he does a lot of sampling and stuff like that. So you you can't listen to a song. Oh, I'm just saying in the sense of like, I know you can listen to songs, but you listen to songs now, and you can probably break down like, okay, he sampled that, he sampled this. Oh, for sure.

Paten Locke 1:00:45

Oh, well, I can because I'm a very intensely like that's like my love. Like, and you can just be like pop pop.

Badr Milligan 1:00:51

You are the human who sampled.

Paten Locke 1:00:52

Yeah, yeah. And I and I just I study that. I study other people's samples, I just study the idea of sampling. But when I listen to hip hop, I want to hear the I want to hear the beat be dope, I want to hear the arrangement be dope. The whole package, the voice, the rhymes. What happens is the content of the rhymes a lot of times can be less important than the style of the or the voice of the home. Agree, agree. You know, like if I so that's why I like people get surprised and they expect me to like people like, okay, here's the thing, people expect me to like Talib quality. People have expected me over the years to like the roots or um like or expect me to like most deaf to a degree where like what most people do.

Drew Torres 1:01:28

I can't, I just I don't I don't feel like I'm smart enough to like to understand most deaf at all. Like I just he's like, Do you like most deaf? I was like, I try, but like I don't like I am not on that level. Interesting. I feel like something's gonna happen to me, and then when I listen to Most Deaf, I'm just gonna start crying. I was like, I get it. I fucking well here's the thing.

Paten Locke 1:01:45

Like, I like those groups, they're cool and stuff. Well, black thought. I don't I I separate black thought from the roots. I've never been a roots fan. Like, I never I don't like the aesthetic. I'm an aesthetic person. I also I also like aggressive um stuff. I like uh I like stuff with teeth. Uh I don't like I'm not like much of a conscious head. I don't like uh soft stuff, I don't like stuff that leans to a soft sound unless it's done with a hard edge. I don't know, like Diller had the ability to do. Yes. Diller had the ability to make some expensive.

Badr Milligan 1:02:14

Which was funny because I mean he he was producing for Tribal Quest in Slum Village, but then on his raps, he was talking about like diamonds. Oh yeah, I love it. He was so hood with it, and that was funny.

Paten Locke 1:02:22

But yeah, I like that, and that's the juxtaposition that I like. Like I said, I listened to punk in the 80s and I listened to metal and stuff. I didn't listen to RB. I've never listened, one thing I've never liked is like RB, like radio RB, like that whole aesthetic, that silky.

Drew Torres 1:02:37

So no like Luther Fan drops or baby face.

Paten Locke 1:02:39

Well, my me and my mom would listen to that stuff, and I would I could I could probably sing you some loop though or whatever. And I know some of that stuff, just as a DJ, just as a person, but I don't like uh smooth, clean anything. I'd rather I like rough garage sound. I listen to garage rock. When I listen to rock, I listen to garage rock in the late 60s. When I listen, so I like the rougher stuff. When I listen to hip hop, so I like MOP and Black Poet and hard, angry, not so articulate rap from New York. It's so funny because loud, abrasive, and and mean shit. That's what I like to listen to, and I find more artistic aesthetic. So you were on my D block when they were out. Well, you know, they're they're too clean for me. Nah, to me, to me, honestly. It's a musical aesthetic thing. So when I s when I say M O P and uh and Blackboard, I think I'm also leaning towards the fact they're both produced by a premiere. And so I like the rugged sound, I like I like grit, I like static. I don't like things to be shiny, I don't like things to be finely tuned. You know, there's a sound that you hear like a lot of hip hop over the years, and it's like a it's like it sounds like a cascading sound like I don't know, some it's like a ph-do. Like people hit like some sort of like it's and if I hear that sound, I'd rather hear that. I'd rather hear that way, and like I like to hear that bam bam bam. I like to hear that like super like like intrusively loud where you're like, what the hell? Like I like that aesthetic. I like the aesthetic of um shocking you and jolting you. And I like I like hard, I like distortion, I like uh yeah, uh so I don't like anything that's sort of smooth, too smoothed out.

Drew Torres 1:04:13

It's so funny because Barter, like, what happened was like um listened to the to the Yeezus album, and then the last song, Bound Two, Barter's like, this is hip hop, and I'm like, motherfucker, I thought I was listening to hip hop for the last three years. He's like, No, no, this is hip-hop, and he's like, hip-hop heads appreciate this type of music because I was like, I don't fucking get it.

Paten Locke 1:04:32

And he's just like, you will one day like see that bound two is dope because that sample is so dope. That's that that's the uh that's that bound by the um the uh what's the name of that group? It's a something plus one, the Ponderosa Twins Plus One. God damn it. So is that what you're talking about?

Drew Torres 1:04:47

The the fact that like it's not like uh he got the 45 ego face, that's what you're talking about, where it's not smooth because he kind of goes, uh-huh honey.

Paten Locke 1:04:55

And when you put that in there, and when you put that when you that uh uh honey is from a different record. Now when you put that in there, and then he's all just like just it's just his voice is rapping over it. Now, okay, that's still smooth, but that's smooth in a rugged way. You know what I mean? Like that's rugged 60s soul where it's once again you're talking about aesthetics of production, you're talking about it's rough sounded, you know what I mean? Like I just like the rough s and not it can't just be, yeah, it's gotta be rough and it's gotta be raw, and uh I don't really like you know, I missed it all the time.

Badr Milligan 1:05:26

Chop up the pizza because you brought up voice and then and then rough and rugged for you. For me, I've always liked I've always paid attention to the voice. If they got a shitty voice, I can't listen to it. Like to be honest, Talib Collie is too uh mono. Like his own.

Paten Locke 1:05:42

Well, his thing, his Talib. Talib is very I he's that one of those guys I stand, I love what he stands for. Absolutely. But when he starts rapping, he also what Talib's problem with me is that it's too many syllables he tries to fit in. So it's like dib it, dib it, di-dib it, di that I'm like, yo, yeah, I ain't trying to even do that.

Badr Milligan 1:05:57

For me, one of the the MCs that for me at all times. It is Rakim because of his voice. It was always like very demanding. It was like he knew what he was talking about. Like if he walked into a room and talked, I'd be I'd stop what I was doing. I'd be like, Yeah.

Paten Locke 1:06:09

But Rakim's voice is is is rugged, so it's absolutely listen. Yeah, Eric being Rakim, classic all day. Rakim, probably the best rapper of all time, living, dead, alive. Probably, yeah. I mean, just because his body of work when he was on fire was just so far beyond you look at the first, you know, three records.

Badr Milligan 1:06:32

I mean, Rock Kim is just that guy, but I could do a whole podcast about I've always wanted to do a podcast about Rakim's first time.

Paten Locke 1:06:37

I want to do a college class on MF Doom, actually. Really? Yeah. I I approached the anthropology professor I know about Doc Hartford. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I taught and when we so I've done lecturing for her and I've done a lot of work with her. I've I've I've taken her students to DJ's record store here and DJ's record store.

Badr Milligan 1:06:54

I went there the other week and I was like I took a whole class in there. You fit a class in there? Jeez.

Paten Locke 1:06:59

DJ was like, bro, but I've been going there routinely. I've helped clean that place out. Like I live in that place at times, so they let me do it.

Badr Milligan 1:07:05

I've been there maybe uh maybe twice, and uh every time I'm I'm always like I've I'm starting to play this game where I'm like, let me just pull out some random record out of my ass and see if it'll find it. And that dude's like, yeah, give me a second. And like he'll go to a section, I'm like, damn it. Yeah, can you not?

Paten Locke 1:07:20

No, he's got that place is ridiculous.

Badr Milligan 1:07:22

And I love I love Jerry West. Oh, shout out to Jerry West at DJ's, but he was telling me the the stories when he first started and having his windows broken all the time.

Drew Torres 1:07:29

I'm like, Oh, that was that one place you sent me pictures of, right? Okay.

Paten Locke 1:07:33

Yeah, no, DJ's is uh is uh is like my favorite place in Jacksonville. I've done a lot of uh I've I've tried to evolve them, involve them, and anything I've done over the years because uh it's also a place that I've just spent wild hours at.

Badr Milligan 1:07:47

Um I wanted to bring it back real quick. Yep. Um it seems like you're central on as far as the net, you're pretty central. Your band camp is kind of like your Mecca. Like that's where you can go and I'm I know you've got a Facebook, I know you got Instagram and all that.

Paten Locke 1:07:59

I think my my my central is probably my my Facebook. Okay. Just because uh because I'm not very good online. I'm just not. I'm just I'm spurts, you know. Like I'll be like, let me do something, but uh I'm not very good at promoting myself and never really cared much for it. I always did well without it anyway. And uh but yeah, Bandcamp, Facebook, Instagram, that's pretty much where I'm at. So I mean uh my Tumblr, which is Planet Lock.

Badr Milligan 1:08:24

I know uh your Spotify's got super ROM and Rocket Chip, but I was happy to see that.

Paten Locke 1:08:27

Yeah, I've never even been to Spotify. I don't even I've never signed up to Spotify in my life ever.

Badr Milligan 1:08:31

I was happy to see that paint and lock.bandcamp.com had a bunch of stuff. And I mean uh today I ended up buying your Splifsonian Yeah, that was mixtape.

Paten Locke 1:08:40

That yeah, the the everything that's on there kind of just Yeah, it just kind of just happened. The Splitsonian was just that was the first time I ever just did something, just released it just without any hubbub. I was just like, let me just put something out there because I've And it's uh and for the most it's it's your beat tape, you know? Yeah, it's just a beat tape. But if I were to if I were to be serious about beat tapes, here's the thing. I make a beat tape at almost I mean, I definitely make 20 beats every two or three days. Okay. So if I wanted to, I could have a hundred thousand beat tapes out there. I mean, I literally, people who know me, all my producer friends, Willie, bat, all these, they they know like I got.

Badr Milligan 1:09:11

So how did this how do you pick the uh why why was Splasonian special?

Paten Locke 1:09:14

That's the thing. I'm not good at I'm good, uh I just uh because I made them in in a span of two nights. Like literally, I made all of those in the span of like one night. Then I went to bed for like six hours and I got up and made like the rest of them. And I it was just I had just made them and I was just like, oh wow, I just made like damn near 20 beats in two nights. And I was like, I should probably like put this out, like just to be doing something different all these years. I don't just really I you know I'm I go like five years between releases and stuff. So I was like, let me just go ahead and uh put something out and not make a big deal out of it and just put it on the internet. That's what the internet's for, and stop acting like everything has to be global or whatever. Let me just and plus I you know, I was like, I have a fan base, let me just put it out. So I just threw that out there. And uh it was also the first time I didn't have my art guy do a cover, which is why I just took that picture of just like uh uh what is it, like Mr. Rogers and uh do you know who the other guy is though? I don't Bruce Hack. Um he's a uh famous electronic musician and he used to make put out records for children really weird the weirdest educational records you ever heard in your life, like just using Moog and all these crazy sounds. And uh that was an episode where he was showing Mr. Rogers how he made a briefcase into like this Moog, like woo-woo woo woo, all these sounds you could make out of like this briefcase and like a tie clip or something. Um I was just like, let me just put some shit out, let me just have some more stuff out there.

Badr Milligan 1:10:32

Um you've got the Splasonian and the uh the other uh kind of full full project that I wanted to talk about was you got uh something called the Goodfoot. That was and it's a bunch of B-boy breaks for the most part, right?

Paten Locke 1:10:45

It's B-Boy beats that was done specifically for Red Bull for their 2013 BC one finals. Okay, they hired me to do the beats, and then they uh but they licensed them the the business agreement was that they licensed them so I was able to then sell them afterwards as well. So those beats they bought from me in order they specifically bought so DJ Lean Rock could play them in Korea a couple years ago in one night, and they spent a lot of money, they gave me a big check to make nice all those beats. And then afterwards me and Lean were I was like, well, I still own the beats, so let's just get more money and just put them out again. You know what I mean? Let's put them out for the the people, not just for the B-boys there at the event. So that was just you know, just put that out. And that actually does really that does really well because the good for because all those beats got played in classic battles that year, like um, those are well-known beats in the B-Boy realm, so they do it does pretty well. But you know 18 times You know what's not on there though? Is uh have you heard the have you heard a thing I did called the Dust Ball or Dust Ball? Okay, so um Dust Ball was a tape, it's the last project I put out, solo project, right? And okay, uh I was I did a tour last year with I tour with a cat named E Don, E-D-A-N, um, and it's my touring partner. We have a two-man show, and we did a whole tour for the Renegades of Rhythm, which was the which was DJ Shadow and Cut Chemist, who were friends of ours. And so it was just the four of us.

Badr Milligan 1:12:09

You're friends with DJ Shadow?

Paten Locke 1:12:10

I just did a release, uh I just wrapped on a DJ Shadow release. I'm so tired of how awesome your life is. Whatever. But uh hip hop. Yeah, Shadows the homie, and um it was Shadow Cut and Cut Cut Chemist is an old friend of mine, and me and E Don have done a lot of tour and cut, and the four of us went out on tour. It was Shadow and Cut, headlining. It was just the four of us on the tour bus, too. And um it was a very big tour, and on that tour, I because I was doing a tour, I hadn't had a record out since Super Rama Rock and Ship Ram Ram and doing beats and stuff. And so I did a cassette tape. I I pressed up 80 copies of cassette um with Matt Moyer here in from Popna Hill, which is here in Jacksonville, and I just pressed up 80 copies of a cassette of uh new album. I just made all these songs in the course of like a month. I really like two weeks, I just sort of like every night was like, I'm gonna make a new song. Had like 15, 16 songs, pressed them to cassette only, 80 copies only, just so I'd have it on the tour. Charles, like I was there was like $20 of cassettes and stuff, which is a lot for tape. And it was a really purposely very, very low quality tape, and it doesn't exist in digital format, any other format. It only exists in tape format.

Drew Torres 1:13:15

I was wondering why I was like, man, why wouldn't you? God damn, this is like that yin, uh the yin yang, not the yin yang uh what's that album that they only made one of and that's it?

Paten Locke 1:13:23

Oh the Wu-Tang, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right. Um, nah, so I did I did 80 copies of it. And the cool thing about that is that Double XL magazine um wrote about it, like in the print magazine. Right, nice. Yeah, yeah, they brought they they did a whole feature on it because that because they thought it was strange that at this in 2015 or whatever it was that I was putting out 80 copies of a cassette, and that was it, no digital. You sold out, right? Oh, I sold out for sure. But on that tour, but I recently agreed with a label in uh Atlanta, um I have my own label, but I agree with a different label, Atlanta, to put it out on vinyl. So actually Dustball Tape is which is my second technical second second solo album is coming out probably by the end of this year. But it'll be called it'll be called Dance on My Grave. Okay. And uh anyway.

Badr Milligan 1:14:06

So all right, uh, and and one other thing, um, I think your your band camper somewhere I've got it here. Your newest release, Knock Em Out the Box.

Paten Locke 1:14:13

Nope, that's uh Knock Em Out of the Box is older than Splasonian and Dust Ball. It's like uh I put it out after it's even older than Goodfoot. I put it it was the first BC I ever put out. The first B C D I ever put out was Knock Em Out the Box. That was also featured in Double XL Print magazine when it came out.

Badr Milligan 1:14:28

Okay. I got it. My first beat CD. So currently, right now, your your your newest project is actually an old project, your second album.

Paten Locke 1:14:34

Well, it's it's I'm rew retooling it. There's new songs on it. It's called Dance in My Grave, it'll be coming out. This uh, but I just dropped the food chain with my friend Dylan. That's that or that's the other one I was talking about. Yeah, I fully produced that. It's a follow-up to uh our album, Studies and Hunger, from like five years ago, that I also fully produced. And uh Yeah, I put that I produced and arranged that, and um, he's the the vocalist on it, and it's called the food chain, and you can get that on the full plate bandcamp site. And uh that's my label, Full Plate, um, which is my me and my partner Dylan, and we put out music.

Badr Milligan 1:15:07

So you can cop the food chain right now. You can look forward to Dance on My Grave at the end of the year. Yep. You can go on Peytonlock.bandcamp.com, get all your beat tapes, the goodfoot, see there, pick it up. And uh was there anywhere else that people can contact you? I know you mentioned Facebook, right?

Paten Locke 1:15:22

Facebook, you can, you know, the thing is Peyton Lock, that's why I like it better than therapy, because P-A-T-E-N-L-O-C-K-E, that's just me. So if you Google that, you know, check out what I'm doing. Just Google my name. And if you want to get at me, I'm on Instagram as Peyton Lock, I'm on Twitter as Peyton Lock, I'm on Tumblr as Planet Lock, I'm on Facebook as Peyton Lock. Um uh there's an artist page with like my skull logo, but you want to holler, if you want to holler at me personally, you probably want to holler at the one I got of with the I think it's Jermaine Jackson's forehead.

Badr Milligan 1:15:50

Yeah, profile picture with the tunnel forehead. And if you're hearing Jack's, I think every Saturday you're you DJ at Cask, right?

Paten Locke 1:15:56

I DJ at Cask wine wine bars and five points, yes, sir. Man, I I knew when And I also have a group called Dumtron with Willie.

Badr Milligan 1:16:03

That's right. And all right, that was the other thing.

Paten Locke 1:16:05

I also have a group called I also have a group called Steam Mechanics that's here in town that's about to blow up whatever.

Badr Milligan 1:16:10

You know, I used to tell Al Letson he was the big probably the busiest person.

Paten Locke 1:16:12

Al Letson's first DJ.

Badr Milligan 1:16:14

God damn it. Will you stop? I'm gonna mention my dad. He's like, oh yeah, me and my dad used to rap in jersey.

Paten Locke 1:16:21

Al used to do uh uh scribes and vibes and this poetry night thing in the 90s and stuff, and I was Al's music man. But I was before Willie was Al's music man, P-Lock was Al's music man forever. And the only reason I probably forever ever. The only reason I lost that job and Willie got it is because I did a I pulled like a really irresponsible move like in the late 90s. At one point, Al really needed me to do like a personal sort of gig, and I sort of like bailed on it. And Al, you know I'm sorry to this day, but I'm glad it worked out with you and Willie, because he's more responsible anyway.

Badr Milligan 1:16:52

And real quick, before we go on break, I'm glad you brought up Dumtron for you and Willie. Yeah. Um what's the deal with that?

Paten Locke 1:16:58

Dumtron is me and Willie, and Willie Evans Jr. is my best friend. He's the guy I champion. I champion my friendsid Don, I champion my friend Dylan, my friends Bass Os Lady Daisy, uh, Mr. Lif and Acrobatic, and and chief amongst them is my brother Willie Evans Jr. Um We both rap and we both make the beats and uh he don't scratch, so I'll do any cuts you here. But uh that's you know, me and Willie are best friends. He's the guy I talk to every day. We just laugh. You know, do you guys have a project coming out? Uh yeah, it's called Dumtron, and it's like oh yeah, yeah. We've just recently, within days ago, actually very officially agreed to make a record. Okay, like we've always kind of bugged, we've done some songs, and we just we never took it like it was the number one thing we were doing. We got so much on our plate, but no, uh Dumtron is a project that is coming out for sure, and it's gonna be a lot of fun. Okay. Um, and I just do want to say I have a group called Steam Mechanics too, because it's dead serious, and I'm we're probably uh I'm probably gonna have to get us a deal, and uh that's with Arson Fist and Stillwater casting around here that I'm also trying to in any of the groups I ever formed. I always try to take artists that I really appreciate that I know as friends and try to uh springboard them into the professional level of what I'm doing.

Badr Milligan 1:18:17

All I have to say is uh listeners out there, if you've haven't seen Al or Willie perform live, it's it is phenomenal.

Paten Locke 1:18:24

Oh, I've you know, I haven't seen their what they do together. Um Al's like I said, I've known Al forever. Al's uh I'm very proud of everything Al's doing. He's he's stayed on the path. He's um and it's inspiring in the fact that he's had success and stayed on the path that he's been on since I've known him. Um Willie, I'm involved in everything that guy got going on. Because like I said, that's my best friend, family. Like uh I care about his kids, type of thing. Like we call each other not, we call each other the laugh straight up. Like if he's having a bad day, uh he'll call me and he'll be like, what's up, man? Now, if I'm having a bad day, I'll be like, What's up, man? He'll be like, damn, man, you're supposed to be hit me with the funny. Because we always say that hit me with the funny, you know what I mean? So then we'll always just try to make each other laugh. But uh my respect for Willie is uh is about as great as it can get for any other human, you know. Like uh that's my brother right there. We've been through a lot together, and yeah, and now we're finally gonna be put out of record for everybody that gave a shit. This is exciting.

Badr Milligan 1:19:20

Let's go, let's go on break. Um, you've you've given me the blessing that I can I can play a track off uh Super Roman Rocket Ship.

Paten Locke 1:19:26

You can play anything, anything.

Badr Milligan 1:19:28

Well then I'm gonna play the track that blew me the hell away. We're gonna uh the the the track you're about to listen to is called Soup for One. It's on um uh Peyton Locke's uh debut album, Super Ramen Rocket Ship, which you can I'm sure you can call from any of his sites. Uh after that, we'll be back uh and then we'll do uh champion season, all right? Ow.

Intro Music 1:19:46

Yeah. Uh-huh.

Paten Locke 1:22:30

Thriller is actually probably the best. I mean, thriller was a a whole event in my childhood. Did you have the red leather jacket? Uh with the zippers. Um, no. I I I wish Eddie Murphy. I I wanted it.

Badr Milligan 1:22:44

You know, like like I said, I was telling you, I brought this question up, or I brought this up last episode because I ended up watching the um Spike Lee documentary. Have you seen it? Off the uh Off the Wall. It's called Off the Wall, the Michael Journey, Michael Jackson's journey from Motown to uh I'm sorry, from uh from Motown to Off the Wall.

Paten Locke 1:23:00

Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen that. I gotta see it. Good. It's funny.

Drew Torres 1:23:03

No, it sounds amazing. I watched the trailer for it and it got me so pissed off because it's only a minute and 20 seconds, and then by the time it stops, you're like, what the fuck? And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Badr Milligan 1:23:12

It's one of those things where and I'll be I'll be jumping on that. Uh yes. I wasn't able to thank you because uh you did one project that uh was helped me early on recognize your name. You did a Dilla appreciation uh mix with DJ B. Ryan, right?

Paten Locke 1:23:29

Um, you know, it's funny, B. Ryan put that out for me and bass, but it was me and DJ Basic, and we did that. Okay, I felt okay. We actually put that out the uh the day that Dilla passed. So uh what, February uh 10th, I think? Years ago.

Badr Milligan 1:23:41

Yes, yeah, yeah. So I I remember um you're right, that's how it was. DJ B. Ryan had reposted it at the end of the year. Because B.

Paten Locke 1:23:47

Ryan is uh is me and basics. Okay, so me and B Basic have a group called Little Green Apples, which is just like a DJ record crew, and B Ryan is a young guy who actively looks for records, so we put him in the crew too, and he's he's got the young, youthful enthusiasm, and he was like, You guys don't have any mixes online, and you know, I don't give a shit. And I'm like, whatever. And he's like, Well, I'm gonna put you know, Dylan dedication. You know what? Can I put your dealer dedication? He also put out my Osha's groove mix too, and um yeah, those are mixes.

Badr Milligan 1:24:13

Uh they were yeah, um you know, DJ B Ryan was the reason I I really started to appreciate and understand B-Boy breaks. Yeah, I didn't think people made mixes of those.

Paten Locke 1:24:24

Hey, like I listen, shout out to B Ryan. That's me, that's me and basics, little little man. Like, we brought him up in this record thing, and he's crushing the game right now, and he sort of keeps the name going for us.

Badr Milligan 1:24:33

I I I'm I'm friends with him on Facebook and Instagram too, and he's always posting like just like you records. I'm like, oh man, this is so cool. Like I wish I had the the time and and I guess knowledge to just get into that.

Paten Locke 1:24:43

Well, B is a young dude. He re- he he's you know, compared to me and basically he basically been in this for a little while, but he's his knowledge is crazy, and B Ryan is great at finding rare records.

Badr Milligan 1:24:56

I ran into uh uh B Ryan when um Riverside Arts Market was doing like kind of a no, it was like a a hip hop and summer event that they did and uh at the Riverside Arts Market. Okay, and he was uh DJing the the B the B-Boy battle. Yep. And um, I mean I don't I don't b-boy battle, but I was just staring at him the whole time, DJ, and I'm like, oh my god, I need all of these all those funk breaks. And he's always like the nicest. Anytime I approach him, he's always like, hey man, how are you doing?

Paten Locke 1:25:20

Oh, B's cool, man. That listen, and like I said, like that's uh that's a great example of just like uh the keep uh the youth keeping it going. Like he's keeping our crew going, like he's uh he's out there, and uh Yeah, and B's out there finding these records, and that sometimes pisses me off, you know, because another person looking for what I'm looking for, and he'll find it, and he gets up earlier than me and shit.

Badr Milligan 1:25:39

But so Alright, so you you said that you listened to the episode of Al and um and Willie the last time we had them on. Yep. So you may so you're definitely not a stranger to how the show kind of works. Absolutely. Um so you know that when it gets around this time, around like about closing time for us, we we have to do our infamous champion season. Cool. Champion season, real quick for you, first time tuning in, is our segment of the show where we go around the table and highlight certain things in pop culture that have resonated with us. So it could be a movie, a comic book, a book, a television series, a album, whatever, that you know we really want to share.

Drew Torres 1:26:20

Right on.

Badr Milligan 1:26:21

Peyton, you are our guest, so you have the honors of uh setting it off? Yeah. Let us know what are you gonna champion this episode.

Paten Locke 1:26:27

I want to champion, I thought I thought pretty hard about this, and there's a lot I could champion, but I knew we would talk a lot about music, so I want to step away from music and champion. Um it was really tough. I but I have to I have to set it off with what I'm just most into right now. I'm I am a big fan of only a very few shows, TV shows, cartoons, whatever. Most of them are cartoons. Um, but one of my favorites right now is Rick and Morty.

Drew Torres 1:26:56

Oh my god, man.

Paten Locke 1:26:57

I'm Mr.

Drew Torres 1:26:58

Misics. Hey, look at me. I'm Mr. Bees. You gotta work on your swing jam.

Paten Locke 1:27:07

I'm a stickler, Mr. B6, because your short game is. He said, mmm, impressive. So how'd you get into Rick and Morty? Uh how did I I don't remember. Somebody probably told me about it early. Um and I don't know, I just caught it and I was like, oh snap, like best writing on previously I was, you know, I'm really into Archer, which I was like, this is some of the best writing on television. But then I saw Rick and Morty. I was like, oh, this might be the the best writing I've seen. Like uh Back to the Future. They're just nailing so much. Yeah. But it and even just this just how they get into human nature and and the the their metaphors. Like it's a very deep show. It's even deeper than even some of the comedy would let you know. But it's also just drop dead hilarious. Uh Rick is crazy.

Drew Torres 1:27:55

The episode the episode with the dog. Oh dog takes over. Right. And some of the shit he was talking about, like chopping off the balls and stuff. I was like, didn't really wear my balls, Summer.

Paten Locke 1:28:07

Come on. Like Rick and Morty is just a really That's a clever show, too. Super clever. To me, it's just super clever. I can rewatch the episodes and I can still I can still glean um things that they're trying to they're making a lot of society uh a lot of uh observations on society that I think are really uh really smart. And uh so I really like that show and I really champion if you haven't heard of Rick and Morty uh uh I even went and picked up the comic books afterwards, after I was familiar with the show. Are they good? They good? Yeah, because they're not the comic episodes. I mean they've rather they're not the show episodes, they're their own episodes. You're also getting your own uh and it's and it's still funny, and oh god, yeah. It hits yeah, for sure, for sure it hits, yep.

Drew Torres 1:28:43

Because uh some there's an episode that really like my oh shit moment for that fucking show was um when Rick and Morty they fucked up the planet and they just leave and go to where the other Rick and Morty kills themselves. Right, right. And they're not in their own world, they're in the new world, and then he's just like and he tells his sister, he's like, That's your dead brother. Right. And they kept with it.

Paten Locke 1:29:03

I was like, holy no, it's really and it's good, and they're good at it at holding on to their continuity, and it's just a really funny, deep show. It's just and it's it's just it's really hilarious. And I yeah, I really like that. Um Rick and Morty. Yeah, I love and you know, I I uh I can appreciate the artwork too. I also uh I went to school for to at one point to to do art, to do visual art. That's I went to Columbia College in Chicago, and uh, and uh and then I I wanted to be a comic book artist, actually, is what all when I was raised since I was a kid. That's always what I went throughout everything.

Badr Milligan 1:29:36

So I want to bring this up. I don't know, you guys have something else to champion?

Paten Locke 1:29:39

I mean, I could champion I mentioned Archer, and that made me want to champion H. John Benjamin, who does the voice for Archer. He also does the voice for Bob on Bob's Burgers. He also does H. John Benjamin actually, as it turns out, does like 90% of the voices I like in cartoons. And he it's a lot of his personality is injected into it. But if you like Archer and the guy who played, who does the voice of Archer, and then he likes Bob's Burgers, which is the voice of Bob, same guy. Right. Uh so Ace John Benjamin is a voice as a character voice actor who I just think is he's a comedian too, and he's just crazy hilarious. And if you see what he looks like in real life, the fact that he's the voice for Archer, like Archer's this quintessential sort of like alpha, alpha white guy male or whatever, and then you see A. John's Benjamin, he's like kind of like a balding bummy guy, you know what I mean? Bob. Yeah, he's he's even bummier looking than Bob, kind of, but uh so I I I yeah, that and you know, let me just look real quick and just make sure I had nothing because I had I I remember you said two to three things, and I think that was a good one.

Badr Milligan 1:30:35

Well, I wanted to give you a chance because you said that uh because you brought up the comic book thing. You you are a comic book head, you're a collector, whatnot. So I wanted to kind of ask you like if you had the champions of like some of your favorite comics.

Paten Locke 1:30:46

If I had a champion and it it would be it would be the original Teenage Municipal Turtles, Eastman and Laird's original drawn and conceived version of them.

Drew Torres 1:30:54

The ultraviolet black and white.

Paten Locke 1:30:56

Yes, absolutely. Black it has to be black and white, it has to be the ultraviolet, it has to be pre-any sort of commercialization. Because the only reason I championed that is because as a kid that blew my mind for the violence level in a comic book, even though it was based on these turtles. And I remember immediately afterwards there was things like radioactive adolescent hamsters and all these other comic books that tried to bite off of it. But um, this is all in the 80s. But I remember the reason I want to champion the original turtles is because never has something been so uh perverted into commercial commercialism as the original teenage review in the turtles were. Like as soon as they got in any bit of commercialization, it was a whole different thing. Kawabunga, pizza, yeah, you know, Goofy, and like, you know, the movies and these live action thing, and they're trying to make it better, and they've never gotten anywhere close, and even the last one, they've just nowhere close to how great it was in the first maybe like 10 comic book uh uh issues that they that they dropped, really the first four with the classics but okay.

Drew Torres 1:31:56

Comparing that to the to the first movie, I feel like the first movie did a good like for being like for what it was, like did you didn't you like it?

Paten Locke 1:32:04

Uh no, I'm a I'm an ultra purist and everything. So so any deviation from that original concept to me and to to to make it more kid friendly or to even just make it more palatable, commercialized, whatever, whatever. Like I the pizza and all this stuff that was associated with like I was just like immediately. Like I wasn't even just like I don't like that. I was like, I hate that. So you want like a Martin Scorsese ninja turtle? Straight up and down.

Badr Milligan 1:32:28

What you're basically saying is the Teenager Turtles incorporated that damn sound effect that you hate so much, and then that was the end of it. And that was the end of it.

Paten Locke 1:32:34

Well, when they started when they were started, it was the when they very those first few issues was very hard to find. Big, big, big issues were just were um they changed a lot in my view of comic books and my view of uh the fantasy realm at the time as a kid. Now, Marvel wise, what were some of your some of your top Marvel stuff? X-Men, all X-Men related titles. Um I I like the Hulk because Byrne, John Byrne. I used to follow John. I used to follow artists, so I used to follow John Byrne. Um did you like his Fantastic Four Run? I did, yeah. I liked everything Byrne did. Um I liked Arthur Adams when he first started drawing. I like that dude is still great. Uh right. He's but he's probably my favorite and most underrated artist of all time. Um I don't hear him ever get mentioned.

Drew Torres 1:33:16

No, like and the thing is he has like kind of like his below guy is Nick Bradshaw. Like that's the that's the dude that is the Arthur Adams of our time next time. Interesting. And he's like killing.

Paten Locke 1:33:25

So I used to collect that, like, so I used to collect anything he did, would it be like the long shot series? I used to I used to collect the cards.

Badr Milligan 1:33:30

Oh my god, the long shot series.

Paten Locke 1:33:32

The OG. I used to I remember I used to collect uh you know, Secret Wars and stuff like that at the time, but not to do the art, but just that was a storyline thing that I was into. But I always used to follow artists, and as it got, you know, into the maybe early uh later 80s, early 90s, it became like Jim Lee, um Leafi, McFarlane, um Larson. Uh Larson, right? Um uh Patachio. Not for as familiar. Um Sainkovitz was a great the guy who used to paint the covers in the 70s and 80s and stuff. Yes. Yeah, big fan of his stuff. Um and I and then a huge fan of Jack Kirby all the way back. Jack Kirby is amazing to me to this day. Like there's nothing fucking with Jack Kirby drawing like uh new guy scroll characters and stuff like that. There's nothing messing with like his those brick hands that he would do, those flat fingers, like oh so his black belt was dope. Yeah, so yeah, as far as and I yeah, I never really DC didn't get me until they did the Dark Knight. Okay, Frank Miller. A lot of Frank Miller did it in the same way. Yeah, and I remember I and uh Frank Miller did the Dark Knight and the original graphic novels, like the issues that came out, and uh I remember that changed my I was a little bit more and also around then DC started uh getting some of Marvel's artists to work with them. So and I would be more into this of like they got Burn even to do some stuff, and it's like so.

Drew Torres 1:34:51

Oh yes, Wonder Woman. Now you said you said you're a periodist, and I and I respect that, but so like with all these Marvel movies that are coming out, like uh do you have appreciation for them or you just as like as as as as Hollywood fluff movies I do.

Paten Locke 1:35:03

Okay, like see people get all like um, oh they kept it really you know, they kept it to this. Uh you know, I can dig them, but they haven't, none of them have like blown me away. I haven't seen um Deadpool, and I remember um you know buying issues with Deadpool in it early on. I think he came out to like X Force or something like that. Or yeah. I mean, I remember he's collecting the mutants, X, X, X Factor, all these things. Um, but yeah, the movies. I'm just also not much of a movie guy. Um my girl can attest to that. She, matter of fact, I don't even know what movies I like. My girl can I see a lot of movies, but my I see with my girl, and then later on, somebody be like, Oh, did you see this? And I'll be like, I'll ask my girl, I'll be like, Did I see this? And she'd be like, Yeah, we watched that, and I'll be like, How did I what did I think? She'd be like, You hated it, or she just tells me how I felt. Like, I never remember anything of how I felt about any movie. So who's your favorite X-Men or top five? Uh Colossus is up there. Good shit. Colossus is up there from from way back. Um I like the fact that he was Russian, that he was that he was just a body of steel. Yeah. I always thought that they always and I always felt like they always gave him like they always suckered him out. Like they always gave, they would made him this guy who could turn into like straight steel and could do all this stuff, but they never made a big deal about him. Even in the when he was in the 80s and whatever, whatever.

Badr Milligan 1:36:23

Um They tried though. They tried to give him his own series and all that, but just it's not.

Paten Locke 1:36:28

I just felt like the writing behind him, they just never made it. They just never made him as dope as he could have been, and people always have liked him.

Drew Torres 1:36:33

So do you feel like it's just one thing is okay? We'll get to the bottom of this classes thing. I mean, he's not a character that can stand on his own. I respect him. So, like, would he be able to do like a cleanup or a like a buddy cop type thing? Well, here's the thing.

Paten Locke 1:36:45

I used to like the um he used to do the cannonball special with Wolverine. Love it. Polivara. When he throw, oh that's oh, that's the best. That he would like back then, and they would be like, Cannonball special, you get ready to throw him, I'd be like, man, I'm a hippo, I'm in like comic heaven. But you know, the thing is, is uh like you know, I just felt like like they didn't they did they just didn't care enough to make him cool, like even I don't know. But um yeah, Colossus, Nightcrawler. Um Nightcrawler's always been my favorite. Yeah, the teleportation. I just love the idea of that. Uh uh I didn't like the so they I had in the original, um I remember back in like the early 80s, they had a thing, uh a series called the uh it was like the handbook, the Marvel handbook. Oh, yeah, the Marvel Howard. So I used to buy those. I have all of those, the original, like the issue, issue, issue, like eighth or whatever, whatever. And I, you know, you I would read them for a strength level because they would rate them between like it would be like strength agility up to a hundred, basically. And the Hulk was crushing everybody like at his at his like he had like unlimited strength that is like angriest or something like that, or something. But it basically ranked him at like a hundred. But I and like all the other big, you know, I think but I remember Colossus like a 70, and I was like, it'll seem right. He seemed like it should be a 90.

Badr Milligan 1:37:54

This is so cool that you're also part of the uh Colossus of fan appreciation where we're all like, man, y'all been snubbing Colossus for this long.

Paten Locke 1:38:02

And it's almost like because he was Russian, right? So he was Russian, created it towards the end of the Cold War. So that's what it is. Hey man, hey man, Marvel has always definitely paralleled social uh change and stuff, and whatever's going on in society, Marvel's always that's their thing. They mirror that in these in these things. I like the X-Men, I like the Morlocks, they lived on the in the um, the mutant lived in the sewers and the Jay Dillard appreciation fans in the underground.

Drew Torres 1:38:30

Right, it was straight underground. Um just now I'm thinking about what you're talking about, Colossus. It's like, but like, who is Colossus? Is he like a supporter of the X-Men? Does he fight for his country? Like Well, why would they even create and his sister was what's her name?

Paten Locke 1:38:46

Rasputin. Yeah, Rasputin, right, magic. So so my thing is she was in uh New Mutants, right? Yeah, she was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So with Domstar and and uh Cannonball and Warlock and all those guys. So, you know, I liked uh I'm you know, I I'm the type of person I avoid bandwagoning whoever else is bandwagoning. So I couldn't be I could Wolverine's not like my favorite.

Drew Torres 1:39:09

Like he's just never because he was he was always the man since then everybody you know um you're blowing my mind because as soon as you said that I'm like Colossus has never been the leader of the team. Well, because they never painted him to.

Paten Locke 1:39:20

He's like he's forever young, he's forever a junior. Like they always treat him like he's like a teenager, like forever. Wow.

Badr Milligan 1:39:26

You know, I'll say this uh only I I think it would kind of appeal. I would recommend I wish I knew the the numbers, but just recently, maybe two or three years ago, they did something with Colossus where they try to reinvent him, where he ended up getting uh juggernaut's power. He kind of stole the crystal and and he became became a badass. Oh wow if you wanted to switch up from like the sounds interesting. That's I'm gonna try to find the issue numbers for you, and I'll send you a little bit more. Uncanny X-Men is when Greg Lynn and Fraction was writing it. Yes, because they were trying to do something different with Colossus, and I thought it was pretty cool. It was edgy, like he had the helmets after that. Oh, he became possessed, and like they kind of followed a story where he was like, he had sold his soul, and even his sister was like, What are you doing?

Drew Torres 1:40:06

That's the fucking shit where her sister was like, I could take your power away.

Badr Milligan 1:40:09

Yes, yeah. So I'd recommend that. But I'm glad to know that Paint and Lock, uh Hip Hop Extraordinaire, and Colossus fan. Oh, so yeah, Colossus fan for sure. Um D, I want to switch to you real quick about your champion season.

Drew Torres 1:40:22

What are you gonna champion this episode? So the the one of the things I'm I'm known for is championing lyrics. So I'm gonna champion uh one of my favorite rappers is Chance the Rapper. So um Chicago. I got to, yeah, exactly. So you'll probably you would respect this verse that I'm about to. It's off of uh The Kanye West, The Life of Pablo, it's the first song. Um he did it on Saturday Night Live, and I'm telling you right now, a song has never moved me or teared me as much as that song when I first saw it. Oh shit. And uh the chance rapper verse goes, I'll I'll think I'll go all the way down to where this is where I really get into it. He says, When they come for you, I will shield your name. I will feel their questions, I will feel your pain. They do not know, they don't, they don't know, they don't know. And then he said, Foot on the devil's neck till it drifted Pangea. I'm moving all my family from Chatham to Zambia. So Chatham, Chatham is I guess is is is a town of Chicago, and it's the south side of Chicago, and Zambia was declared the most peaceful country in Africa in 2015. So I just love all that aspect. I love that. One of the lyrics I'm like, fuck, was treat the demons just like Pam. I mean I fuck with your friends, but damn Gina, uh, which is Martin, because you always know how like he Martin treated Pam, he's like, yo, get the fuck out. Right, absolutely. So like I like that you know that. And then another part is just shows like how real chances he's like, I've been this way since Arthur was an anteater. Yeah. So I mean everybody knows that Arthur was an anteater, and like they changed his leg. So to me, I just fucking love the fact that he went on that.

Badr Milligan 1:41:55

You know what I appreciate about about Drew? Because when I met him, he he was he he had he was he had bad taste in rap, you know. So I just I was trying to steer him. So whenever he gets like this, where he brings like a verse that really touches him, I mean, like for me, I've got my verses, I've got my classics. Right, right. You know, just like hip hop edits all agree. Right. But when he comes with his, I'm like, man, it's it's cool to see that no matter whether you're you're a hip-hop ed or just touching the surface, it's still even to this day, rap, you know, whether it gets a bad name or or whatever from hip hop eds, still to this day, there's still some artists out there that touch people like that.

Paten Locke 1:42:28

Absolutely. Well, you know, rap is one of those things, it's a it's a basic form of expression. The reason rap blew up and took over is because there's not is there's no other music that's existed before that that jocks could just do and get into as well as as well as an artist, as well as a layman. Like it's speaking over rhythms, it's just it's just it's music simplified. Yeah, I like those those lyrics. I like this the sentiment. Um I love the sentiment of uh of uh of him moving his family out of uh Chicago. Like I said, I've been you know, I lived in Chicago, I went to high school in Chicago, and Chicago is no joke, and um and uh yeah, and I and I appreciate what the what chance the rapper seems to stand for as well. You know what I mean? I've I I'm not a personal fan of his aesthetic again, because that's that's the first thing I care about, but that's what's up. Okay.

Drew Torres 1:43:15

So what else you guys do? Second thing, okay. So the second thing I have to champion, um a trailer, and then we'll go comic. So the trailer I gotta champion is basically they released uh well no surprise, Daredevil's coming out season two on Netflix. Okay. And this is the introduction of Punisher and Electra. And if you see they released the first half was the Punisher trailer, and the second half was Electra. But there was one part where there was there's always the dynamic between Punisher and Daredevil. And I was one of those people that always always like the only person that can play Punisher was Thomas Jane. Like, I liked it, I thought it was dope. Fuck that. John, I forget his name, but the guy that they have playing Punisher now is like the like all end all be all. And there's a there's a scene where Daredevil and Punisher are talking, he's like, Why are you doing this? Punisher looks at him, he's like, You are one bad day from doing what I do. Because you know, Punisher, when you kill somebody, he puts them in the ground. That's it. Like he's that's why I loved him back then. I had I have the OG uh miniseries question John Burnthal. Yeah, John Bernthal. So like when he said that, I'm like, fuck, like he's one of those dudes where it's just like nah man, like these guys are gonna take it and like knock it back up. I think you know Deadpool plays the whole Catholic, like he doesn't want to kid. He just're Daredevil. Daredevil plays the whole Catholic. So just that trailer alone just got me real, real hyped, and then they got me back into reading like the all the Frank Miller stuff, and it's just like I mean, it's just good. Like it's one of those things.

Paten Locke 1:44:36

My thing is I don't know, I haven't followed those movies enough, but I know that that thing, like a good Daredevil, you talk about having Electra in it, and Punisher's gotta be rated R. R all the whole. Yeah, I want to ask you this.

Badr Milligan 1:44:45

Because if they don't, then it's not uh because you like the the the nitty-gritty stuff. Have you watched the first season of Daredevil on Netflix?

Paten Locke 1:44:51

No, but I do want to bring up that I grew up when I was like 10, since I was 10 to like 15 or whatever, I had the I had right above my above my bed was this uh uh uh the Punisher cover from uh issue number two of the miniseries where he's the bullets are blasting past him, he's blasting the phone. The bullets are ripping his uh his thing. Um so I was a huge Punisher Punisher fan. You know, I have I I saw a lot about the Daredevil um and uh You'd like it.

Drew Torres 1:45:14

It it is rated R. That is the it is like the wire meeting. Have you ever watched the wire? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, it's like the it's it's it's like wire meets law and order meets everything you want. It's so I mean rated R, there's violence, cursing, sex, just you can catch they don't they don't cut no shortcuts.

Badr Milligan 1:45:30

You can catch the first season on Netflix now. Netflix season two comes out um in about two uh in March like 18th or whatever. Like March.

Paten Locke 1:45:37

No, I'm uh you know what? That's the that's the probably the um that's what I needed to hear in order to check it out. That's what you got. Let's go.

Drew Torres 1:45:42

And then uh so the third thing would be um Biden knows about this because I was just really excited about was uh Power Man and Iron Fist.

Intro Music 1:45:51

Oh love Power Man and Iron Fist.

Drew Torres 1:45:56

Yes. Have you read the new issue that came out? The number one? My boy Luke Cage. Uh um Sweet Christmas, it was amazing.

Paten Locke 1:46:04

No, but hugely, I mean, come on, you got you that was Black Power and Kung Fu together.

Drew Torres 1:46:10

Yeah, it's the buddy cop. It's basically the lethal weapon.

Paten Locke 1:46:12

And it was, but it but I loved it. Even back then it was created when the time were like, you know, that was he had like an afro, like the steel thing going around. Yeah, the way he would talk to him.

Badr Milligan 1:46:21

You say it's a TR, that makes it kind of takes a lot away from him. And what's funny is uh last episode, Ed had championed it, and I hopped on his champion because uh and and now this is the trifecta, because Drew's talking about if if that's you aren't familiar with Powerman Iron Fist, uh the issue one that came out, uh written by David Walker, pencils by Sanford Green.

Drew Torres 1:46:41

Yeah, and I reached out to him on Twitter and I told him like how amazing that issue was because it was it was good, and I I've never read I went back and I started reading the old Powerman and Iron Fist and stuff just to kind of see because they said basically it's taking off where they left off. Oh, interesting. And they are like characters that show up, and I know who they were, had a like Wikipedia, and it's like, oh, this person was in Powerman and Iron Fist, and like they're you know, they're setting it up for a big story. It's fun, it's it's edgy, Luke Cage is in there, nice, and it like it's still adding his family, and then Iron Fist is it's still doing like it's kung fu and hip hop, it's just dope.

Badr Milligan 1:47:16

Yeah, and as much as um I try not to use that adjective, like yo, it's hip hop, right? I because it sounds kind of corny, this definitely fits that mold because the art is like kind of is it's really it's different from all the other books, and uh like you said it's not clean, it's like that cool like interracial buddy cop like shit that you like to see. And like you said, it's it was it was black versus uh meets hip. Um sorry and they just like the original Wu Tang.

Drew Torres 1:47:39

Yeah exactly and they just and they just casted uh did you guys talk about that last episode? They just casted Iron Fist. Okay, so like now it's happening. Like Iron There's gonna be Iron Fist and Luke Cage in the Netflix. And the guy that they got playing Luke Cage is amazing, and the guy they just uh casted for Iron Fist, he's from Game of Thrones. Okay. I mean, I don't know his body work, I've seen him on Game of Thrones, but I mean he looks the part, but Marvel's been doing a good job casting people for actors and stuff, and he's British, so I mean it has to be good. It has to be good, yeah. I mean, so it's one of those things where so I would say Powerman and Iron Fist is dope.

Paten Locke 1:48:13

That's cool, man, to bring that up. I as a kid I remember that was uh it just meant a lot to me to when you, you know, I was a heavy comic book guest, so it would mean a lot when I see a powerful black character. Absolutely agree.

Drew Torres 1:48:22

Um sorry, they haven't teamed up since their their initial run. They've never teamed up. So this is kind of like uh this is very cool. You've got a lot of things to catch up on. What's the hip-hop cover on that?

Badr Milligan 1:48:34

Oh, the hip-hop cover. Uh, I don't know if you know this painting.

Paten Locke 1:48:36

I I do my friend Arson Fist has got brought me a couple of the hip-hop covers.

Badr Milligan 1:48:40

So I mean, I've got some on the wall when I uh Marvel did this initiative where they're they took all their their comics and they were like, hey, he gave me the heel with the uh the X-Men De La one. Yes. Well, the the one for uh Iron Man Power Fist is Mob Deep's first uh not first album, their second one, the uh The Infamous.

Paten Locke 1:48:55

Yeah, I like the I like that you know that that's the second album because their first album is very slept on. No, no, no, it's Hellin's their third album. The first one is uh Juvenile Hell.

Badr Milligan 1:49:02

Thank you. Which by the way, they were like uh they weren't by Q2 by then, right? No, no, no, Cut had. He came on the second one.

Paten Locke 1:49:07

He came on the second one, but I was hip-hop hot. But they did a s they did have a song on there called Hold Down the Fort, I think. You gotta hold down the fort on their first juvenile album.

Badr Milligan 1:49:16

You know the best one on the juvenile one that I liked? Uh was uh The Pressure. You gotta find a way to deal with The Pressure.

Paten Locke 1:49:22

Now that was an early DJ premiere production, actually. And Lost Offessa was down with them at the time, too. I need to do another. I need to before that they were poetical prophets. I have the uh Sunsign hype when they were just like little kids.

Badr Milligan 1:49:33

Alright, so Drew, if you're done, I want to tap on my.

Drew Torres 1:49:36

I just want to fucking champion one more thing. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. The other song I want to champion is the fact that I found that that Tusc letter from Drake's album, he sampled the Whitney Houston All My Love or All My Life. And I didn't realize that that song was chopped and screwed three different times by the same song.

Badr Milligan 1:49:49

Yes, yes. So that was it. Um you brought up uh uh Unsigned Hot, right? Mm-hmm. Um my first champion is uh the the stretch and bobito. Documentary. Straight up Beetle. Sorry. Good, good. They came out with a documentary a couple months ago. Actually, earlier in later in 2015. It was called Radio That Changed Lives. Have you seen it? I haven't actually seen it, but I've been meaning to see it. You need to see that in this spike lead Michael Jacks documentary.

Paten Locke 1:50:16

I've been, I, you know, I the thing is, uh, you know, I got a lot of projects I'm trying to put out, so I don't get to even see that. And I don't know, you're a busy man. Stretching Barbito has been like, I don't know why I haven't just buckled down a bit yet.

Badr Milligan 1:50:25

For for anyone that that's not aware of uh stretching barbido, it's definitely a very hip-hop head like niche like thing to know about. Yeah. Um if you're from New York and you're into hip-hop, I mean that's that's a common name. For me, I found out Stretch and Bobito by their most infamous fucking body of work, the Big L and Jay-Z seven-minute freestyle. Oh, interesting. Okay. So I mean, when I was getting into hip hop, I ran across that song, and then I started finding their other stuff like their big L freestyles, whatever, whatever. So I've always been aware of Stretch and Bob Beetle, but this documentary put into the scope of how important they were.

Paten Locke 1:50:58

They were hugely important, and as a person, I existed through and very much so vibrantly through the stretch and bobito era. I remember 1992 going to New York and staying with my man's in Queens and recording the Stretch and Bob show. And that's and that was the thing. I was like, When Nas is freestyling before the Matic drops. I have those on my own personal recorded cassettes. And Stretch and Bob was like, yeah, that was the radio show of the 90s view for all everything. That was they was the shit all the way around.

Badr Milligan 1:51:25

DJ Stretch Armstrong and uh radio personality, Bobito Garcia. Yep. Um, they got together, made their own kind of uh it was when like hip hop was still budding. There wasn't like a dedicated.

Paten Locke 1:51:35

I think was it before Hot 97? You know, the thing is it here's the thing. They just the thing about that made them stand out is they stay, they championed independent and underground. Absolutely. Yes. The independent underground stuff that was sort of neglected. You know what I mean? So they would have some, they would have big artists too that because the hip hop, you know, they would have Black Moon and all these people on. But this is at a time when these people are so underground, so they just they just championed the indie sound. They were right there in New York and they had a radio, they were on NYU, I think, or whatever. And so they had that was just like the radio station where everybody would come through, and it was just like you could hear the coolest, newest songs, the ones you want to do.

Badr Milligan 1:52:08

And they had such a weird time, wasn't it like uh super late at night? Like two to five or twelve to five, or some really like late-ass stuff. But what this documentary showed was how powerful they were because they interviewed so many people that artist-wise, like Buster Rhimes was talking about he'd stay up really late at night and then sell the tapes himself, like at school, because everyone, if if you didn't listen to the new stretch and babido mix, you didn't know what was up. Yeah, you were like lost. You were lost. You might as well just stop saying that.

Paten Locke 1:52:31

And it was right, you it was where you would hear, you know, this is before the internet, so this is where how you would hear the joint you want to hear, you'd only hear off the tape. Even when I came down here, I bought a bunch of tapes and I would trade them with like my friend Kez Rock, who had tapes when he was, you know, down here and stuff.

Badr Milligan 1:52:42

Uh I mean I'm a fan of like the kind of do-it-yourself, like the dudes who kind of like, hey, let's let's get together and make it happen. Yeah. So I mean, it's definitely one of those stories, like they saw an opening, they had a love, a passion for the music, especially the underground, like you had mentioned. They did it for free. They did it out of like some janky beat up radio station, but they did it because they loved it. Eventually, like it just it the artists that they managed to break happened to be the biggest names. I mean, for example, Biggie. I mean, he he lost the unsigned hype battle. ODB, the Wu-Tang Naz.

Paten Locke 1:53:14

They broke so many rappers that before they ever ever the world knew him, they came on a stretch and bob show and called right, because that was where you you know, that was where you went to go get busy.

Badr Milligan 1:53:23

So the the thing about this uh documentary radio that changed lives, you know, they kind of they talk about how they met, how they started getting things going. The the thing about them was they didn't record video a lot of the footage. So the interesting thing about this um this uh interview or this documentary, what they do is they ended up going to like Jay-Z Nas, Buster Rhymes, and they would, hey, we have this tape from when you first started, and they'd have them listen to it right there. It was so cool to see their reactions because even Jay-Z was like, that cocky motherfucking raised. He was like, I raise heaven to this hell. And he was like, That's a good line. Right, right, right, right. It's just so funny to see them just to their old selves. And um, I gotta see that. So, I mean, like I said, they they interviewed everyone, Bus Rhimes, Nas, uh, uh, Rayquan, like everyone. And it's just one of those things where you know, I I got in hip-hop late, like way later. And I it listening listening to this and listening, like you talk or Willie talk, I'm like, man, I wish. I wish I went. It was so cool back then.

Paten Locke 1:54:22

It was, it was fun. It was like, it was a different, it was it was different. You fucked up. It was I mean, it was a it was yeah, there was an excitement, there was a level of a palpable excitement, you know, and that's why me and Willie are so close now, because I think both of us keep we try to keep that, we're keeping that, we keep that era going in our own lives.

Badr Milligan 1:54:38

So and the thing about the documentary, and uh, I I love when documentaries stay honest, like it they didn't just stop right at the good parts, they went through the whole thing. They were like, you know, we had this good thing going, and it was like just us doing it ourselves. Eventually we started to get to get big. We hopped on hot 97, yeah, things fell through. They kind of talked about the breakup, but then you know, they they uh they recorded them doing kind of like the reunion mix, yeah, and like how happy they were, man. It was like two best friends who just happen to love rap.

Paten Locke 1:55:03

And you would listen to the show, and that's another thing. Like, Bob Edo was legit funny, and like Stretch Armstrong would be playing. He also had like all the new jams, but yeah, as it all got older, Stretch started playing like a lot more street crap, like just like straight up street rap, like local New York street rap. And it would just be kind of like you could tell, and you know, and like Bob Edo started really doing fond a little bit, so you'd really be like, There's definitely a difference of what how they're approaching this at this point. It got to a point where I wasn't into it while they were still doing it, even probably in the time. But in the like, I literally one of my fondest memories of hip-hop is the is my is the uh winter of 1992 and going to stay with my man in Queens and um uh and recording that show, going to the tunnel, seeing Fife, Spinderella, KRS one, these type of people, and uh Curious in the line and people, uh Pudgy the Fat Bass. I'm gonna let me I'm Pudgy the Fat Bass. I let me eat it for free. It's just like uh it's it's it's not it's like a whole different era. It's just like clothing, attitude, style. I mean, I remember when the first time I heard somebody you know say use mad as an adjective, I got mad skills and just being like, wow, that's that's dope. You know what I mean? Let's say that. You know, hey man, it was great, man. That's why I'm still that's why I'm still doing it, because I love I love all of that, all of that. That's what I love.

Badr Milligan 1:56:20

I recommend if you're also getting like goosebumps and just nostalgic listening to this, uh Stretching Bobito, Radio That Changed Lives. It's on iTunes, it's on like VMO. You can go, you can just Google it and their website.

Paten Locke 1:56:31

Stop what else you got a champ uh champion here. I like that.

Badr Milligan 1:56:35

I got two things. One will be really quick as a comic. Uh I got one more I forgot. That's okay. Okay. All right, uh Batman 49. Uh if you aren't if you aren't reading uh Scott Snyder's Batman right now, I know that the whole Jim Gordon replacing Batman was kind of funky at first, but I'm telling you it pays off in the end. So go back, collect those. And uh the last thing I wanted to champion was um Miguel, aka Mass Appeal, was supposed to come uh come on the show. Mass and uh plug what he's got going on. And um uh he is the man in charge of hip hop and hookah. Absolutely. So uh every Thursday at Burrow Bar downtown, uh he sets up a bunch of hookahs. Uh he's got a DJ playing hip hop and it just a chill time.

Paten Locke 1:57:14

Absolutely. Uh I'm the Mass is uh is my brother. Uh uh enough love for my brother Mass Appeal. He has the hip hop and hookah thing. They they uh have DJ Crumbs out there, different DJs, but generally it's my man DJ Crumbs out there, and what they'll do is he'll have the hookah set up, and at the same time the DJ spinning. Um, a lot of times they'll even do sort of dedication nights, like this night maybe dedicated to Wu-Tang.

Badr Milligan 1:57:35

I know last week or la this previous Thursday was Dilla Dilla appreciation.

Paten Locke 1:57:39

Right, so they'll play Medilla on that night, and you can get you the hookah, and then he usually arranges something with uh Chomp Chomp where maybe there's like a special like there was a there was a Dilla donut burger. Yes, I saw that. Yo, but fam, though, it was literally like two like big ass donuts, right? As buns with like glaze and all that, and then like bacon and like cheese and like burger. That thing was like, it was like dumb large, yo. It was mad big and mad cholesterol-y. It was like, yo, you're gonna end up like Diller, like yo, you know, yo, yo, whatever. Like, you know, you know, you don't want to die. That's all I'm saying. But um, yeah, but Mass Appeal has a hip hop and hookin' eye, and and I want to champion that too, because I love championing anything that Mass does because that's my brother Mass's. I remember the day Mass moved down here to Jacksonville, and uh he came to my club to voodoo and he had heard of Asimov. He said, I'm looking for Asimov. I said, I am Asimov. He thinks that's funny this day. I said, I'm by myself. But um, Mass has always he's from Simple Complexity, used to be in a group with uh with Huff Tough Tough Junkie called Simple Complexity. Now he's a solo artist, but he also has his is his hip hop and hookah, his hookah business. Um he throws a lot of cool events. He started the summertime in the city event.

Badr Milligan 1:58:50

That's that's where I met DJ. He started that.

Paten Locke 1:58:52

He also started the Lyricist Hour, which became the Lyricist Live, which is what you see my man Paul Jones doing all that. But so Mass is an innovator, and any event that Mass has anything to do with, especially one that he throws, is one you need to be at. So you need to be there at Borough Bar on Thursdays for hip-hop and hookah.

Badr Milligan 1:59:08

You can go on uh hiphopandhookah.com. I know he also does his own podcast called um The Cloud Sessions. The Cloud Sessions, which is uh hookah, they usually smoke hookah and talk hip hop for the most part, right?

Paten Locke 1:59:17

Yeah, I just did it with them actually. Episode nine. Yeah, they were uh Yeah, I don't smoke hookah. Uh that's my thing with Mass, though he know how I get down. I'm like, that's that's fake weed to me, but you know, hey, uh, you know, uh yeah, they got the the the the the it's him and Il Clinton and they got the cloud sessions and it's a podcast where they deal with hookah and talking about.

Badr Milligan 1:59:34

I told him I'll have him back on to promote, but uh like I said, I thought I thought it was just a cool concept.

Paten Locke 1:59:38

It is no Matt and anything Mass comes up with is cool, and uh it is a really cool thing. It's a cool thing. No, Mass is the Mass is that dude. Mass is a great, great person, and Jacksonville always needs to stand up and support what that guy puts puts down. Um can I champion something real quick?

Badr Milligan 1:59:53

Yeah, you go, yeah, wrap us up.

Paten Locke 1:59:54

The The Young Turks um online. It's an online news show online, and uh it uh stars Shank Inger, I think that's how he's put pronounced his last name, and Anna Kaspari, and and um it's just one of those things. It's like I've been uh I I like watching um their news. I like their approach to news, I like their as uh Turkish Americans, I like their uh their approach to race politics, I like their approach to um progressive politics.

Badr Milligan 2:00:22

If if uh like I I kind of like Al Jazeera, is it kind of like along that line?

Paten Locke 2:00:26

Maybe. I mean, I'm not as familiar. I mean, you know, um uh but I would just say that the Young Turks is if you're a progressive-minded um person, it's it's really good. They spent a lot of the uh it's good to hear them say things that I think uh they'll they'll say a lot of the things that I'm thinking a lot. And and and what's cool for me too is to hear um non-African Americans t take a stance that as an African American I think is important. Um to hear them say some things and stuff as Turkish Americans and uh um yeah, I wanted to just say that to young Turks. I can all and I always champion, you know, Willie, but we've already talked a lot about him, and I hate that we even talked at all about Willie. All we should have talked about, the fact is that Willie is needs to um get back on that P90X, him and mask over here. You you air masks need to get back on that P90X. Call up Waxwell and y'all get that P90X popping, and y'all brothers get in shape, and then come come mess with me. Talking fire. You know what I'm saying? Come try to race the guard.

Badr Milligan 2:01:24

All right, Peyton, uh, one more time, where can people find uh find your music and all that and hit you up?

Drew Torres 2:01:29

Wikipedia.com numbers.

Paten Locke 2:01:31

Yeah, Wikipedia.com. Ah, great. Yo, uh, you can find uh uh just uh Peyton Lock, P-A-T-E-N-L-O-C-K-E. Put that in your computer and then uh you know search me out. But I don't really even like making it easy for people, you know. Just Peyton Lock. Um maybe on your Facebooks, your Twitters, your Instagrams, whatever y'all. Cop Super Ramen uh Rocket Ship. Uh or or or just uh cop whatever I got on my bandcamp. Super Ramen Rocket Ship actually is I uh the the label still owns it for another couple months. And but I'm gonna be owning it again real soon and then I'll be able to sell it. But right now that's not on my site. Um but uh yeah, just check me out. Um and my label's called Full Plate, and uh the name is Peyton Lock. Um I'm representing uh Full Plate, uh Steam Mechanics, and Dumtron and Peyton Lock. And check out the Peyton Lock and E Don show anywhere, the E Don and Peyton Lock show, whatever, anywhere, E Don and Peyton Lock United. Anywhere that we are in the world, check us out because that's the most uh the most ridiculous show, stage show you'll see in hip hop, period. I don't care. No matter who. Damn.

Badr Milligan 2:02:38

I I want to say real quick, Willie, thank you for uh planting the seed uh in my head to get Peyton Payton. It's been a pleasure. It's been a hell of another.

Paten Locke 2:02:46

Thank you for having me. Uh this has been awesome. It's been fun talking with you guys. Uh Willie, uh, you know, big up to you for making the connection. Um, you fat funny guy.

Badr Milligan 2:02:57

You're not sure. And I'll wrap us up by saying if uh you enjoyed the show and you want more uh short box content, hit us up on uh shortboxjacks.com. From there we've got links to our SoundCloud, iTunes, Stitcher Radios. It's always free to subscribe to the show. Uh also hit us up on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. Send us uh your thoughts, comments, and all that. We tend to read those. So uh yeah, shortboxjacks at gmail.com and uh we'll be checking you guys out in about a week or two. Thanks for listening. Peace.

Intro Music 2:03:21

Bep Yeah. Uh-huh.